abelcainsbrother wrote:
Yeah this thread cerianly got off topic. I think it has become the political thread.But to answer the point you brought up about Cruz/Bush we have known for months the Bush family is working behind the scenes to stop Trump. And in Cleveland at the convention are going to be as many Trump supporters there that can go. It was the "stop the steal rally" but it is just the "solidarity with Tump supporters rally" now. Any protestors will be outnumbered 10 to 1 if things go as planned. There will be Trump supporters there from every state ,probably.
Also Cruz aligning himself with Bush will only prove he was not a true anti-establishment conservative and it will hurt him in future elections when he tries to run as a conservative. It also proves that Cruz is a Bush family clone.
I live in North East Ohio, which is basically the suburbs of Cleveland and Akron. I have been to the convention center where the RNC is supposed to take place. It is only one block from the lakefront, so it's going to be
packed on the outside. I really hope there is law and order come July. Because there will actually be three factions at the RNC: Trumpists, the majority, Republicans, the minority, and the troublemakers, a plurality, made up of all sorts of groups whose only real intention is to inflict harm on the former two.
I mean, it's going to be messy no matter what happens. Trump gets the nomination, the hooligans throw bricks. If another Republican comes in out of nowhere to sweep the nomination, the Trumpists will be
furious. In their state of mind, I doubt they won't take the bait from the protesters outside, in which case, a much worse scenario.
I pray the Cleveland Police Department has reviewed the 1968 DNC incident carefully.
tl;dr let's hope the injuries are at a minimum at the RNC next month.
RickD wrote:Kurieuo wrote:
You know the same Clinton and Obama that I know. But to liberals, Clinton and Obama are centrists. In reality, Clinton is left of center, and Obama is a little further left.
So, while Hitler would probably be considered far right, I don't think anyone really believes Trump is far right. Ed is just spouting off the usual liberal rhetoric. And K, please don't tell Ed, but I only call her Hitlery because I know it gets a rise out of him.
If Clinton and Obama are a little left, I would hate to see what far left would look like. Though I suppose if you use the model of Harrison Bergeron for the precipice, or end result, of leftist government, then Hillary and even Obama would look mild by comparison. Though I agree that Hillary is slightly less left than Obama: Hillary is just trying to pad her purse with the presidency, while Obama is a pure ideologue.
Also, Hitler far right? I hope you know that the "wings" of politics, left and right, have to do with the size of government.
LEFTtotalitarianism/authoritarianism/simple tyranny <--------(undefined center)--------->anarchy
RIGHT
Considering it takes a lot of government power to strip away Human Rights like Hitler did, I would place him safely in far left. Never forget that it is not we the people who have been responsible for misery in human history, but men with positions of power over we the people. A little or a lot less government is always good.
I can also tolerate Ed, mostly because I have literally heard everything he said recycled 200 times before. I have built up such a tolerance to his talking points. I mean, I came to godandscience.org forums to hear something fresh and new for a change, but it follows me everywhere....
