Support Gay Marriage Cakes

[Danieltwotwenty]

Question D220. If a "legalistic" Christian went into a cake shop, and ordered a cake with the message "Say NO to Gay Marriage". The baker just attended her daughter's ceremony where she vowed her love for another woman, and so the baker is really passionate about having laws passed that allow for and recognise "gay marriage". Should the baker make the cake for this Christian fellow?

If it was me, yes I would make it, but I would let them know that I don't support their idea and offer them a different perspective.

So I'm clear though, you would reject making a cake that supported ISIS killing gay people?

Making such a cake would be illegal, as it is hate speech.

[RickD]

I disagree, it is discrimination, which is illegal.

Oh really? Show me which US anti-discrimination law is being violated.

Gotcha!

Check and mate!

I don't live in the US! The world doesn't revolve around Americans, you are not the centre of all happenings in the world.

Sorry Daniel,

That's a cop out. The issue happened in the US. We are talking about US laws. Don't avoid the issue. What discrimination laws were violated?

Actually this is not isolated to the US, similar situations have happened around the world. You are the master of the low blow.

Low blow? Not me. You're the one siding with homosexuality.

And just as I thought. You said it was wrong because it was discrimination. Yet you can't cite any anti-discrimination laws that were violated.

[Kurieuo]

Question D220. If a "legalistic" Christian went into a cake shop, and ordered a cake with the message "Say NO to Gay Marriage". The baker just attended her daughter's ceremony where she vowed her love for another woman, and so the baker is really passionate about having laws passed that allow for and recognise "gay marriage". Should the baker make the cake for this Christian fellow?

If it was me, yes I would make it, but I would let them know that I don't support their idea and offer them a different perspective.

So I'm clear though, you would reject making a cake that supported ISIS killing gay people?

Making such a cake would be illegal, as it is hate speech.

Only is some countries. Honour killings are also allowed in Pakistan.
But, be honest with me. Law or no law, you'd not make it would you?

[RickD]

Question D220. If a "legalistic" Christian went into a cake shop, and ordered a cake with the message "Say NO to Gay Marriage". The baker just attended her daughter's ceremony where she vowed her love for another woman, and so the baker is really passionate about having laws passed that allow for and recognise "gay marriage". Should the baker make the cake for this Christian fellow?

If it was me, yes I would make it, but I would let them know that I don't support their idea and offer them a different perspective.

So I'm clear though, you would reject making a cake that supported ISIS killing gay people?

Making such a cake would be illegal, as it is hate speech.

Illegal where? Certainly not in countries with sharia law! Daniel, just because it may be illegal in Aussie land, that doesn't mean the world revolves around Australia. You Aussies have an inflated sense of importance regarding your country.

[Danieltwotwenty]

Question D220. If a "legalistic" Christian went into a cake shop, and ordered a cake with the message "Say NO to Gay Marriage". The baker just attended her daughter's ceremony where she vowed her love for another woman, and so the baker is really passionate about having laws passed that allow for and recognise "gay marriage". Should the baker make the cake for this Christian fellow?

If it was me, yes I would make it, but I would let them know that I don't support their idea and offer them a different perspective.

So I'm clear though, you would reject making a cake that supported ISIS killing gay people?

Making such a cake would be illegal, as it is hate speech.

Only is some countries. Honour killings are also allowed in Pakistan.
But, be honest with me. Law or no law, you'd not make it would you?

You cannot compares these situations, you talking about two consenting adults vs killing people, so whether I do or do not bake in the second situation is not relevant to the topic.

[Danieltwotwenty]

Question D220. If a "legalistic" Christian went into a cake shop, and ordered a cake with the message "Say NO to Gay Marriage". The baker just attended her daughter's ceremony where she vowed her love for another woman, and so the baker is really passionate about having laws passed that allow for and recognise "gay marriage". Should the baker make the cake for this Christian fellow?

If it was me, yes I would make it, but I would let them know that I don't support their idea and offer them a different perspective.

So I'm clear though, you would reject making a cake that supported ISIS killing gay people?

Making such a cake would be illegal, as it is hate speech.

Illegal where? Certainly not in countries with sharia law! Daniel, just because it may be illegal in Aussie land, that doesn't mean the world revolves around Australia. You Aussies have an inflated sense of importance regarding your country.

I am talking about international law! Stop being so small minded.

[Kurieuo]

If it was me, yes I would make it, but I would let them know that I don't support their idea and offer them a different perspective.

So I'm clear though, you would reject making a cake that supported ISIS killing gay people?

Making such a cake would be illegal, as it is hate speech.

Only is some countries. Honour killings are also allowed in Pakistan.
But, be honest with me. Law or no law, you'd not make it would you?

You cannot compares these situations, you talking about two consenting adults vs killing people, so whether I do or do not bake in the second situation is not relevant to the topic.

Not true. What I'm setting out to show, is if you are truly convicted that such is morally wrong, then it isn't "just a message". It shows that while you may not think "gay marriage" is that big a deal, that you do believe other moral issues that do prick your conscience are a big enough deal to make a stance on.

Now if you didn't bake the cake, and then that person took you to court for discriminating against them, and you lost... I'd say you're actually the one, your beliefs, are being discriminated against -- because it is you that is being forced to deny them or else face the consequences.

Furthermore, I wouldn't say the logical conclusion of you refusing to bake any such cake, necessarily makes you a legalistic. I mean seriously, how would it make you legalistic? I don't get the logic. Yes, it's slippery slope logic you're following, but it is a slippery slope fallacy as I see it.

[Danieltwotwenty]

Not true. What I'm setting out to show, is if you are truly convicted that such is morally wrong, then it isn't "just a message". It shows that while you may not think "gay marriage" is that big a deal, that you do believe other moral issues that do prick your conscience are a big enough deal to make a stance on.

Now if you didn't bake the cake, and then that person took you to court for discriminating against them, and you lost... I'd say you're actually the one, your beliefs, are being discriminated against -- because it is you that is being forced to deny them or else face the consequences.

Furthermore, I wouldn't say the logical conclusion of you refusing to bake any such cake, necessarily makes you a legalistic. I mean seriously, how would it make you legalistic? I don't get the logic. Yes, it's slippery slope logic you're following, but it is a slippery slope fallacy as I see it.

Well I see it totally opposite and I believe you are on the proverbial slippery slope, but I think we have both stated our cases the best we can, so I think we can stop here.

I might go eat some delicious gay wedding cake

[Kurieuo]

Ok D220, good to have you back though we don't agree here.

[RickD]

daniel wrote:

I might go eat some delicious gay wedding cake

Sounds like a euphemism. But, to each his own...I guess.

[Danieltwotwenty]

Ok D220, good to have you back though we don't agree here.

I can't remember who said it (Possibly Augustine or maybe Francis of Assisi??) but they said something along the lines of, disagreement should be viewed as a blessing in the church. What I think they meant by that is that humans are beings of extremes and it is hard for us to find the middle ground, so the blessing is that while we are at opposite ends of the spectrum we can hopefully balance each other out.

[Danieltwotwenty]

daniel wrote:

I might go eat some delicious gay wedding cake

Sounds like a euphemism. But, to each his own...I guess.

I have high functioning autism coupled with personality type 5 on the enneagram test, I rarely beat around the bush like that.

[RickD]

daniel wrote:

I might go eat some delicious gay wedding cake

Sounds like a euphemism. But, to each his own...I guess.

I have high functioning autism coupled with personality type 5 on the enneagram test, I rarely beat around the bush like that.

I didn't know you had autism. Now I feel bad for teasing you. I can understand now, why you have issues with the way people talk to you. You can't deal with it the same way that someone without autism deals with things. I think I'll stop teasing you now. Is that ok, Rain man?

[Danieltwotwenty]

daniel wrote:

I might go eat some delicious gay wedding cake

Sounds like a euphemism. But, to each his own...I guess.

I have high functioning autism coupled with personality type 5 on the enneagram test, I rarely beat around the bush like that.

I didn't know you had autism. Now I feel bad for teasing you. I can understand now, why you have issues with the way people talk to you. You can't deal with it the same way that someone without autism deals with things. I think I'll stop teasing you now. Is that ok, Rain man?

We all are on the autism spectrum, I am just in a different area to you, I am more towards the Asperger range, so don't feel bad unless you are going to feel bad for yourself also.

It is not a disease or a disorder, it is just a personality type and it runs in the family, my Dad and my eldest Son are the same, the younger two we don't know yet, but we suspect the youngest may be and the middle is probably not.

[abelcainsbrother]

I think the gay movement is fighting a made-up Christian boogie man forcing their gay marriages and immorality against the will of the people using the courts to do it thinking that Christians want to force them to obey God just because we think its a sin but I don't think Christians want to do that. Do we really want witch trials,etc like in the past? Weren't they wrong? It is not so much gay marriages but how it is being forced onto us illegally that is the problem. I actually would have less of a problem with it if the people actually chose gay marriages legally,but this did not happen and so the problem remains. In America it is supposed to be "We the people" instead of "We the government"