Alcohol/Wine

[crochet1949]

The irony...
Don't work at bar serving drinks or God forbid at a dvd store where the content may be dubious but serve up the triple cheese burger with extra fries and a gallon of coke or better yet be a stock broker that works by the principal of another's gain is another's loss. Be a lawyer whose reputation relies upon manipulating the law to bring about the greatest personal profit. And if you're feeling bold be a politician where all aspects of truth, becomes dubious depending upon the preferred outcome.
Yet somehow the little guy is the issue??
The bartender or the girl making minimal wage selling the DVDs behind the counter. Way to to take onus off the real issues.
Least of the problems I say

There a Big difference between working at a bar serving drinks when you Know the person is drinking alcohol Now and is getting drunk. AND the other scenarios. Chances are the person Could find employment elsewhere.

A Christian Especially has No business working serving alcoholic beverages that will be consumed on location. Why would that person Want to be responsible for someone elses' drunkenness.

Maybe it's our concept of God / how seriously we take His Word / how concerned are we about the other person's welfare.

[Philip]

A Christian Especially has No business working serving alcoholic beverages that will be consumed on location.

Well, many restaurants serve alcohol, but it is exceptionally rare to see people drunk in eating establishments. Jesus was known for dining with sinners. Think they didn't serve wine in such places? However, bars, where the entire focus is getting people to buy as many drinks as possible, that might be a different matter - especially where no food is served and people are drinking on empty stomachs. In my youth, about every bar I ever went in was full of drunk people - or many people that were very tipsy.

[crochet1949]

A Christian Especially has No business working serving alcoholic beverages that will be consumed on location.

Well, many restaurants serve alcohol, but it is exceptionally rare to see people drunk in eating establishments. Jesus was known for dining with sinners. Think they didn't serve wine in such places? However, bars, where the entire focus is getting people to buy as many drinks as possible, that might be a different matter - especially where no food is served and people are drinking on empty stomachs. In my youth, about every bar I ever went in was full of drunk people - or many people that were very tipsy.

For a short time while in college -- I Did work at a restaurant -- there Was beer available with the meals -- I didn't plan to serve it -- but the boss said that I was the only person working who was old enough To serve alcoholic beverages. And I could observe some of the patrons actually get tipsy during the evenings when the groups would come in to eat. I didn't like the aroma while filling the beer glasses and serving them. Didn't stay there very long -- didn't really care for the atmosphere.

Yes, Jesus Was known for dining with the sinners. Or being where ever the sinners Were. After all -- that was His purpose For being here. To reach the sinners with the gospel.

[melanie]

Crochet said

A Christian Especially has No business working serving alcoholic beverages that will be consumed on location. Why would that person Want to be responsible for someone elses' drunkenness.

A Christian has no business serving alcohol that is consumed on location?? What a time we live in when the level or authenticity of a person's faith is dependent upon what job they happen to work hard at to bring home a dollar.
My issue which I think my earlier posts alluded too is where do we draw the line, not to mention the quite judgmental thinking that seems to go hand in hand.
Every person who works within the gambling industry, a huge industry that has many facets and employs millions. Clubs, casinos TABs ect.
The Beauty industry that injects and sucks out and pumps up and pimps out our lips, and breasts and pecs and everything inbetween. A very narcissistic industry.
The Pharmaceutical industry where a medicated, drugged society is one of the single biggest money making revenue for big business.
The biggest killer is diabetes and heart disease fed by a money hungry fast food industry that injects carcinogens, and high fructose corn syrup, and a multitude of addictive and damaging additives that leaves us sick and craving more.
My point being that we live in an age when money talks, big business walks and the little guy is just trying to feed their family.
To even begin to turn that into a question of true faith, or real Christianity is a load of bollocks

We have all have a conscience and an understanding of what is acceptable to our morals and faith. It can become quite hypocritical as we have a tendency to view things through a very limited lens.
The real question should be what am I doing to live out my faith in integrity, not what others should do. Because when push comes to shove it's not anyone else's judgment we are responsible for but our own.
If we spend too much time focusing on the downfall of others we might miss our own downfalls.

[RickD]

Crochet said

A Christian Especially has No business working serving alcoholic beverages that will be consumed on location. Why would that person Want to be responsible for someone elses' drunkenness.

A Christian has no business serving alcohol that is consumed on location?? What a time we live in when the level or authenticity of a person's faith is dependent upon what job they happen to work hard at to bring home a dollar.
My issue which I think my earlier posts alluded too is where do we draw the line, not to mention the quite judgmental thinking that seems to go hand in hand.
Every person who works within the gambling industry, a huge industry that has many facets and employs millions. Clubs, casinos TABs ect.
The Beauty industry that injects and sucks out and pumps up and pimps out our lips, and breasts and pecs and everything inbetween. A very narcissistic industry.
The Pharmaceutical industry where a medicated, drugged society is one of the single biggest money making revenue for big business.
The biggest killer is diabetes and heart disease fed by a money hungry fast food industry that injects carcinogens, and high fructose corn syrup, and a multitude of addictive and damaging additives that leaves us sick and craving more.
My point being that we live in an age when money talks, big business walks and the little guy is just trying to feed their family.
To even begin to turn that into a question of true faith, or real Christianity is a load of bollocks

We have all have a conscience and an understanding of what is acceptable to our morals and faith. It can become quite hypocritical as we have a tendency to view things through a very limited lens.
The real question should be what am I doing to live out my faith in integrity, not what others should do. Because when push comes to shove it's not anyone else's judgment we are responsible for but our own.
If we spend too much time focusing on the downfall of others we might miss our own downfalls.

I agree Mel. And I'm glad you had the balls to say it!!!

[Philip]

I agree Mel. And I'm glad you had the balls to say it!!!

But just don't scratch 'em around your spouse - or in public! (just to add a little more class to this thread )

[Kurieuo]

Crochet said

A Christian Especially has No business working serving alcoholic beverages that will be consumed on location. Why would that person Want to be responsible for someone elses' drunkenness.

A Christian has no business serving alcohol that is consumed on location?? What a time we live in when the level or authenticity of a person's faith is dependent upon what job they happen to work hard at to bring home a dollar.
My issue which I think my earlier posts alluded too is where do we draw the line, not to mention the quite judgmental thinking that seems to go hand in hand.
Every person who works within the gambling industry, a huge industry that has many facets and employs millions. Clubs, casinos TABs ect.
The Beauty industry that injects and sucks out and pumps up and pimps out our lips, and breasts and pecs and everything inbetween. A very narcissistic industry.
The Pharmaceutical industry where a medicated, drugged society is one of the single biggest money making revenue for big business.
The biggest killer is diabetes and heart disease fed by a money hungry fast food industry that injects carcinogens, and high fructose corn syrup, and a multitude of addictive and damaging additives that leaves us sick and craving more.
My point being that we live in an age when money talks, big business walks and the little guy is just trying to feed their family.
To even begin to turn that into a question of true faith, or real Christianity is a load of bollocks

We have all have a conscience and an understanding of what is acceptable to our morals and faith. It can become quite hypocritical as we have a tendency to view things through a very limited lens.
The real question should be what am I doing to live out my faith in integrity, not what others should do. Because when push comes to shove it's not anyone else's judgment we are responsible for but our own.
If we spend too much time focusing on the downfall of others we might miss our own downfalls.

I agree Mel. And I'm glad you had the balls to say it!!!

You're just lucky Mel's not your wife Rick, or you'd be making her sandwiches and getting her beers.

[jpbg33]

in the Bible the word wine was used for grape juice. The Bible never said Jesus drank strong drink. new wine was what Jesus was drinking which is basically grape juice. Jesus was accused of drinking but He never drunk strong drink.

When He turned water into wine they said that it was the best wine left for last. New wine was considered the best wine so when He turned the water into wine it was non alcoholic. Just basically grape juice.

The Bible says to not harm your body and alcohol directly harms your body. Far the sugar argument, sugar doesn't harm your body, your body uses sugar to live what do you think glucose is. To much sugar will harm your body. Eating to much is a sin before someone says anything about that. The Bible says no to be a gluten. You are to do thing in moderation but you are not to harm the body in moderation so drinking alcohol is wrong unless it is being use as medicine.

[RickD]

in the Bible the word wine was used for grape juice. The Bible never said Jesus drank strong drink. new wine was what Jesus was drinking which is basically grape juice. Jesus was accused of drinking but He never drunk strong drink.

When He turned water into wine they said that it was the best wine left for last. New wine was considered the best wine so when He turned the water into wine it was non alcoholic. Just basically grape juice.

The Bible says to not harm your body and alcohol directly harms your body. Far the sugar argument, sugar doesn't harm your body, your body uses sugar to live what do you think glucose is. To much sugar will harm your body. Eating to much is a sin before someone says anything about that. The Bible says no to be a gluten. You are to do thing in moderation but you are not to harm the body in moderation so drinking alcohol is wrong unless it is being use as medicine.

Sorry...I...can't...stop...

[PaulSacramento]

Drinking alcohol for medicinal purposes, wow, never heard that one before.

[melanie]

I'm sure this may be falling on deaf ears but sugar is highly addictive which had been genetically modified and added to most foods which is having a major impact on the health and well being of millions.
Sugar is killing more people than alcoholism and drug abuse combined.
We need a very small amount naturally which is found in fruit and some vegetables but the highly concentrated, genetically modified corn syrup and the like that is cultivated in laboratories is the biggest killer known to date.
Diabetes is the new disease. Children are now infected at rate unheard of 20 years ago.
Our food is infested and infected with genetically modified variants. We have altered food on a molecular level. Adding allergens that our ammune systems for centuries past have never encountered.
Whiich is why food allergies are so prevalent.,
Sugar, in the highly refined state that is present in almost all our food is highly addictive and toxic.
The silent drug and the biggest killer

[RickD]

Mel,

You look very sad in your avatar picture. I hope you're ok. Maybe all that liberal thinking is weighing you down.

[melanie]

Haha I think I need some sugar

[jpbg33]

There is alcohol in Nightquil for one I'm pretty sure most cough syrup have alcohol in them. none of them are wrong to use it is a medicine. You do not have to eat sugar to get diabetes. Eating to much sugar is bad for you, but just eating sugar is not.

Just drinking alcohol is bad for you that is one of the reasons it is wrong to drink.

The Bible says to not harm the body so if it harms the body to drink something then you should not be drinking it. I don't care what it is.

When the stomach digests food, the carbohydrate (sugars and starches) in the food breaks down into another type of sugar, called glucose.

[bbyrd009]

the references to "not drunk! It is only 9am!" spoken about "Priests" should lead a seeker to understand that there is a spiritual understanding to be had about "wine," which comes in "3" flavors; grape juice (water), new wine (after "3" days, in the heat, "spirit"), and "distilled wine" (fire).

you might also seek the ref to "take the money in your hand, and when you get to the festival of weeks, buy whatever you want with it, even *distilled alcohol*"

an meanwhile, IRL, a little wine after a hard day, for aches and minor pains (which are misinterpreted "serious diseases," and other such yack), is Scriptural imo.