Jewish Roots Movement

[Danieltwotwenty]

I wish we had a Rabbi here because this is something that is going to bug me now, I suppose I could go ask the question on the Jewish forum on Reddit, but they can be very hostile over there.

Should look for an orthodox Jewish website and ask a Rabbi. I asked one a question once, about setting up the nation of Israel and the like, details I weren't sure of.

He was quite forthcoming. Interestingly, when I put forward his views somewhere here, I got called anti-semitic or something the like, that there was no distinction to be made with Zionists who "wrongly" took back their homelands, and orthodox Jews who see such was wrong because the Messiah promised was meant to be the one who lead them back into their land after which there would be a time of peace.

I bet I know who it was.

Yes, I believe it was around the same time you decided to take a vacation from this board.

I just read back through the thread, what a nightmare!! I am a sucker for punishment.

[abelcainsbrother]

Interesting, what I didn't get from the articles was their justification for ceasing sacrifices, it was saying that because God has not provided a new place to sacrifice that they can't make it the way it was commanded. This makes no sense, were theynot making burnt offerings before the temple, what about the binding of Isaac or the many other offerings that were made in mountain tops, couldn't they just go to those mountains and make the offering there, as God has already given permission for the practice to be carried out there? Unless I missed something??

Seems like you now understand why I said what I did.But instead of encouraging them to go where Isaac was almost sacrificed.try convincing them about God's answer to the problem they have. You see God was a blood covenant God back then but still is thanks to God's Blood.

God's Blood
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fcjr233-JM

[JButler]

Rabbi Joseph Shulam (Messianic Jew) speaks directly about the HRM types at 25:00 in this lecture. Overall I found his lecture interesting and learned a few things like paying attention to the pronouns Paul uses.

Also, around the 26:40 he states specifically (using Paul) WHY you should not try to convert. "It waters down the work of the Messiah".

Mmmm the Youtube feature didn't want to work so here's a hot link. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzEXU5dzTxw

[Kurieuo]

I wish we had a Rabbi here because this is something that is going to bug me now, I suppose I could go ask the question on the Jewish forum on Reddit, but they can be very hostile over there.

Should look for an orthodox Jewish website and ask a Rabbi. I asked one a question once, about setting up the nation of Israel and the like, details I weren't sure of.

He was quite forthcoming. Interestingly, when I put forward his views somewhere here, I got called anti-semitic or something the like, that there was no distinction to be made with Zionists who "wrongly" took back their homelands, and orthodox Jews who see such was wrong because the Messiah promised was meant to be the one who lead them back into their land after which there would be a time of peace.

I bet I know who it was.

Yes, I believe it was around the same time you decided to take a vacation from this board.

I just read back through the thread, what a nightmare!! I am a sucker for punishment.

Then again, you don't need to ask a Rabbi about what I had confirmed several years back. Here's clear evidence that Orthodox Jews and are quite against Zionists, in fact it is quite common knowledge it seems, but how many Christians understand today?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stXmwURzwAU

and the schism evident between a Zionist and Orthodox:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMkkSJCJjys

[Danieltwotwenty]

A lot of my family are Jewish and unfortunately are also Zionists, they also fight in the Israeli army and actually see women and children as the enemy. It's a pretty sad state of affairs, and they cannot be reasoned with, I guess one is not rational once you have devalued life in that way.

[RickD]

A lot of my family are Jewish and unfortunately are also Zionists, they also fight in the Israeli army and actually see women and children as the enemy. It's a pretty sad state of affairs, and they cannot be reasoned with, I guess one is not rational once you have devalued life in that way.

I don't know why anyone would possibly see women and children as the enemy. It's not like women and children have bomb vests strapped to themselves, right?

And it's not like they're taught from a young age, to hate Jews, right?

[Danieltwotwenty]

A lot of my family are Jewish and unfortunately are also Zionists, they also fight in the Israeli army and actually see women and children as the enemy. It's a pretty sad state of affairs, and they cannot be reasoned with, I guess one is not rational once you have devalued life in that way.

I don't know why anyone would possibly see women and children as the enemy. It's not like women and children have bomb vests strapped to themselves, right?

And it's not like they're taught from a young age, to hate Jews, right?

For the large majority they are not, no.

[RickD]

A lot of my family are Jewish and unfortunately are also Zionists, they also fight in the Israeli army and actually see women and children as the enemy. It's a pretty sad state of affairs, and they cannot be reasoned with, I guess one is not rational once you have devalued life in that way.

I don't know why anyone would possibly see women and children as the enemy. It's not like women and children have bomb vests strapped to themselves, right?

And it's not like they're taught from a young age, to hate Jews, right?

For the large majority they are not, no.

So, it's not rational for a soldier in any army, to think that women and children are enemies, first, until proven otherwise, because women and children have shown that they will kill just as easily as men?

[Danieltwotwenty]

A lot of my family are Jewish and unfortunately are also Zionists, they also fight in the Israeli army and actually see women and children as the enemy. It's a pretty sad state of affairs, and they cannot be reasoned with, I guess one is not rational once you have devalued life in that way.

I don't know why anyone would possibly see women and children as the enemy. It's not like women and children have bomb vests strapped to themselves, right?

And it's not like they're taught from a young age, to hate Jews, right?

For the large majority they are not, no.

So, it's not rational for a soldier in any army, to think that women and children are enemies, first, until proven otherwise, because women and children have shown that they will kill just as easily as men?

Well the one who said it is not a combat soldier, they work as a medic/doctor in a hospital.......................

So you are saying that just because a small minority of women and children have been used as weapons either willingly or unwillingly that we now must tar all women and children as the same?

[RickD]

A lot of my family are Jewish and unfortunately are also Zionists, they also fight in the Israeli army and actually see women and children as the enemy. It's a pretty sad state of affairs, and they cannot be reasoned with, I guess one is not rational once you have devalued life in that way.

I don't know why anyone would possibly see women and children as the enemy. It's not like women and children have bomb vests strapped to themselves, right?

And it's not like they're taught from a young age, to hate Jews, right?

For the large majority they are not, no.

So, it's not rational for a soldier in any army, to think that women and children are enemies, first, until proven otherwise, because women and children have shown that they will kill just as easily as men?

Well the one who said it is not a combat soldier, they work as a medic/doctor in a hospital.......................

So you are saying that just because a small minority of women and children have been used as weapons either willingly or unwillingly that we now must tar all women and children as the same?

Did you suddenly lose the ability to understand logic?

First, you said, "they also fight in the Israeli army". Then you say that the one who said it isn't a combat soldier. Which one is it? A person can't fight and not fight.

Second,
As a soldier who needs to protect lives of his/her fellow soldiers, he needs to be safe, not politically correct. And if that means assuming someone will harm you first, until otherwise proven, then that's the way a soldier has to be. One wouldn't be a very good soldier, and probably wouldn't be alive too long, if he assumed all women and children weren't going to kill him, until proven otherwise.

[Danieltwotwenty]

I don't know why anyone would possibly see women and children as the enemy. It's not like women and children have bomb vests strapped to themselves, right?

And it's not like they're taught from a young age, to hate Jews, right?

For the large majority they are not, no.

So, it's not rational for a soldier in any army, to think that women and children are enemies, first, until proven otherwise, because women and children have shown that they will kill just as easily as men?

Well the one who said it is not a combat soldier, they work as a medic/doctor in a hospital.......................

So you are saying that just because a small minority of women and children have been used as weapons either willingly or unwillingly that we now must tar all women and children as the same?

Did you suddenly lose the ability to understand logic?

First, you said, "they also fight in the Israeli army". Then you say that the one who said it isn't a combat soldier. Which one is it? A person can't fight and not fight.

Second,
As a soldier who needs to protect lives of his/her fellow soldiers, he needs to be safe, not politically correct. And if that means assuming someone will harm you first, until otherwise proven, then that's the way a soldier has to be. One wouldn't be a very good soldier, and probably wouldn't be alive too long, if he assumed all women and children weren't going to kill him, until proven otherwise.

Some of them do fight Rick, some do not, but for the sake of being brief I lumped it all into the same sentence, obviously this was a mistake as it caused you some confusion.

So you think it is ok to presume all people in Palestine are combatants and that you can kill will nilly?

[RickD]

For the large majority they are not, no.

So, it's not rational for a soldier in any army, to think that women and children are enemies, first, until proven otherwise, because women and children have shown that they will kill just as easily as men?

Well the one who said it is not a combat soldier, they work as a medic/doctor in a hospital.......................

So you are saying that just because a small minority of women and children have been used as weapons either willingly or unwillingly that we now must tar all women and children as the same?

Did you suddenly lose the ability to understand logic?

First, you said, "they also fight in the Israeli army". Then you say that the one who said it isn't a combat soldier. Which one is it? A person can't fight and not fight.

Second,
As a soldier who needs to protect lives of his/her fellow soldiers, he needs to be safe, not politically correct. And if that means assuming someone will harm you first, until otherwise proven, then that's the way a soldier has to be. One wouldn't be a very good soldier, and probably wouldn't be alive too long, if he assumed all women and children weren't going to kill him, until proven otherwise.

Some of them do fight Rick, some do not, but for the sake of being brief I lumped it all into the same sentence, obviously this was a mistake as it caused you some confusion.

So you think it is ok to presume all people in Palestine are combatants and that you can kill will nilly?

What? You're serious?

How did it get from assuming Palestinian women and children are the enemy, for safety sake, to being able to kill anyone they want? How could your mind possibly make that connection?

[Danieltwotwenty]

So, it's not rational for a soldier in any army, to think that women and children are enemies, first, until proven otherwise, because women and children have shown that they will kill just as easily as men?

Well the one who said it is not a combat soldier, they work as a medic/doctor in a hospital.......................

So you are saying that just because a small minority of women and children have been used as weapons either willingly or unwillingly that we now must tar all women and children as the same?

Did you suddenly lose the ability to understand logic?

First, you said, "they also fight in the Israeli army". Then you say that the one who said it isn't a combat soldier. Which one is it? A person can't fight and not fight.

Second,
As a soldier who needs to protect lives of his/her fellow soldiers, he needs to be safe, not politically correct. And if that means assuming someone will harm you first, until otherwise proven, then that's the way a soldier has to be. One wouldn't be a very good soldier, and probably wouldn't be alive too long, if he assumed all women and children weren't going to kill him, until proven otherwise.

Some of them do fight Rick, some do not, but for the sake of being brief I lumped it all into the same sentence, obviously this was a mistake as it caused you some confusion.

So you think it is ok to presume all people in Palestine are combatants and that you can kill will nilly?

What? You're serious?

How did it get from assuming Palestinian women and children are the enemy, for safety sake, to being able to kill anyone they want? How could your mind possibly make that connection?

Because that is the outcome of this particular mindset of seeing everyone as the enemy, we also see the reality of this happening, unarmed women and children are shot by Israeli soldiers on a daily basis, just for going about their day to day business. Children are even used as human shields.




My family see all Palestinians as the enemy, they want them eradicated like vermin, they don't believe there can be peace until they are all dead.

I won't post more pictures as they are just too graphic but I will leave a link.

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=pale ... ild+killed

[RickD]

Ah, this again.

What does this have to do with the topic?

[Danieltwotwenty]

Ah, this again.

What does this have to do with the topic?

It has nothing to do with the topic, but you took it there. I was just agreeing with K on the dangers of Zionism.