Does Science Result in Subjective or Objective Knowledge?
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Does Science Result in Subjective or Objective Knowledge?
I'd be interested to see what people think.
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Re: Does Science Result in Subjective or Objective Knowledge?
Both. Subjective and objective. Since the "Both" choice isn't there, I can't vote.
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Re: Does Science Result in Subjective or Objective Knowledge?
I was toying with that idea too, but quickly thinking on it realise that any objectivity is founded upon subjectivity so therefore even science is a subjective enterprise.
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Re: Does Science Result in Subjective or Objective Knowledge?
I wouldn't go that far. Some sciences are purely objective while others (psychology, cosmology, paleontology, to name a few) have varying degrees of imagination cloaked as reality.Kurieuo wrote:I was toying with that idea too, but quickly thinking on it realise that any objectivity is founded upon subjectivity so therefore even science is a subjective enterprise.
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Re: Does Science Result in Subjective or Objective Knowledge?
How can any science be purely objective when they require much investigation by subjects?
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Re: Does Science Result in Subjective or Objective Knowledge?
Technological (or applied) sciences such as engineering can be considered objective. Mathematics also.Kurieuo wrote:How can any science be purely objective...?
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Re: Does Science Result in Subjective or Objective Knowledge?
Mathematics is a language, language is used by subjects. Technological sciences also require a subject to figure out and/or create (e.g., programming languages) and apply such knowledge.
Note, what I'm not saying is that such don't lead to truths, or aren't based on truth or true in and of themselves, rather I am saying that no matter what, such are all subject-dependant and therefore ultimately subjective. All knowledge in fact requires a knower.
There is this idea drilled into our societies that "Subjectivism" is bad and "Objectivism" is good for gaining knowledge and truth. Yet, just put aside that feeling for a moment. Clearly there is something wrong here, don't you think, that subjectivism can't do knowledge or truth when the subject/s are clearly at the heart and foundation of any such pursuits?
Note, what I'm not saying is that such don't lead to truths, or aren't based on truth or true in and of themselves, rather I am saying that no matter what, such are all subject-dependant and therefore ultimately subjective. All knowledge in fact requires a knower.
There is this idea drilled into our societies that "Subjectivism" is bad and "Objectivism" is good for gaining knowledge and truth. Yet, just put aside that feeling for a moment. Clearly there is something wrong here, don't you think, that subjectivism can't do knowledge or truth when the subject/s are clearly at the heart and foundation of any such pursuits?
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Re: Does Science Result in Subjective or Objective Knowledge?
You seem to be going off on a tangent. Especially here,Kurieuo wrote:...I am saying that no matter what, such are all subject-dependant and therefore ultimately subjective....
...so we must part company. I was looking at the question as "science whose facts are absolutely certain" being objective knowledge, and "science whose observations fit a popular explanation" as subjective knowledge.Kurieuo wrote:All knowledge in fact requires a knower.
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