Can Illegals Vote: Obama Responds!

[Philip]

What a criminal this president is!

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/11 ... ons-video/

[B. W.]

An Impeachable Offense ...

[RickD]

If I understand correctly, Obama is encouraging people to break the law. Is that correct?

[edwardmurphy]

[nonsense] as usual.

[RickD]

[nonsense] as usual.

Maybe you need to watch the video again.

It's in plain English.


And did anyone else notice the creepy, pervert type heavy breathing of the person who was recording the video?

It gave me the heebie jeebies!

[edwardmurphy]

Maybe you need to read the transcript or watch the unedited video. It's still in plain English, only nobody modified it to make it look like the President was encouraging illegals to vote. I put a link in my previous post.

[RickD]

Maybe you need to read the transcript or watch the unedited video. It's still in plain English, only nobody modified it to make it look like the President was encouraging illegals to vote. I put a link in my previous post.

Umm...

I watched the unedited video. The interviewer asks about undocumented "citizens" voting.

The edited version doesn't change the context.

[edwardmurphy]

This is "you didn't build that" 2.0.

The transcript:

RODRIGUEZ: Many of the millennials, Dreamers, undocumented citizens -- and I call them citizens because they contribute to this country -- are fearful of voting. So if I vote, will immigration know where I live? Will they come for my family and deport us?

OBAMA: Not true. And the reason is, first of all, when you vote, you are a citizen yourself. And there is not a situation where the voting rolls somehow are transferred over and people start investigating, et cetera. The sanctity of the vote is strictly confidential in terms of who you voted for. If you have a family member who maybe is undocumented, then you have an even greater reason to vote.

So she asked a weirdly phrased question, and he responded to the very last part - "So if I vote, will immigration know where I live? Will they come for my family and deport us?" She's asking a question from the perspective of an American citizen with undocumented family members. If I vote will they come for my family? Seems paranoid to me, but then I'm not an undocumented worker. Anyway, he assures her that Latino citizens who vote won't be tracked back to their homes and their families deported.

And before you jump on the "deport us" part, here's a study on American citizens being unlawfully detained and deported. I'd be paranoid, too.

RODRIGUEZ: This has been a huge fear presented especially during this election.

OBAMA: And the reason that fear is promoted is because they don't want people voting. People are discouraged from voting and part of what is important for Latino citizens is to make your voice heard, because you're not just speaking for yourself. You're speaking for family members, friends, classmates of yours in school...

RODRIGUEZ: Your entire community.

OBAMA: ... who may not have a voice. Who can't legally vote. But they're counting on you to make sure that you have the courage to make your voice heard.

And here there's no question that he's talking about Latino citizens and encouraging them to vote. Granted, he probably should have FOX-proofed the interview by holding up an "Illegal Immigrants Can't Vote" sign or something, but the facts are still pretty clear - he's trying to convince Latino citizens to vote.

So no, he's not telling undocumented workers that they can vote. In fact, he flat-out said that they can't.

[RickD]

I don't know Ed.

Reread the first quote from the interviewer:

RODRIGUEZ: Many of the millennials, Dreamers, undocumented citizens -- and I call them citizens because they contribute to this country -- are fearful of voting. So if I vote, will immigration know where I live? Will they come for my family and deport us?

She seems to be asking from the perspective of an illegal, who is fearful of voting, and is afraid for the rest of her illegal family.

What kind of question is that? Illegals fearful of voting?

They should be fearful! They can't legally vote!

At best, Obama should've asked for clarification.

But with democrats famous for being easy on anyone who is illegal, so they can get their votes, this is where it leads.

[edwardmurphy]

I don't know Ed.

Reread the first quote from the interviewer:

RODRIGUEZ: Many of the millennials, Dreamers, undocumented citizens -- and I call them citizens because they contribute to this country -- are fearful of voting. So if I vote, will immigration know where I live? Will they come for my family and deport us?

She seems to be asking from the perspective of an illegal, who is fearful of voting, and is afraid for the rest of her illegal family.

What kind of question is that? Illegals fearful of voting?

They should be fearful! They can't legally vote!

At best, Obama should've asked for clarification.

Yeah, it was a weird question. Obama fielded it like a politician and turned it into an opportunity to say what he wanted Latino voters to hear. Then Neil Cavuto took what Obama said and turned it into what he wanted FOX viewers to believe. Business as usual, and not worth a second glance.

But with democrats famous for being easy on anyone who is illegal, so they can get their votes, this is where it leads.

You're pushing an overgeneralized, inaccurate, conservative talking point. How about some reality?

Obama favors a path to citizenship, but Latinos call him the Deporter-in-Chief (with good reason). Reagan signed the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986, which gave amnesty to three million illegal immigrants. George W. Bush proposed giving temporary legal status for at least 6 years to 8 million undocumented immigrants, provided they kept their jobs. He also snagged 40% of the Latino vote and won. Bill Clinton favored bilingual education, but pushed for hiring more border patrol agents and imposing tougher penalties for illegal entry, hiring illegal workers, and failure to depart. Hillary Clinton supports a path to citizenship. Donald Trump's position changes with the weather, but tends to be strongly nativist.

In short, the facts don't bear out current conservative talking points on immigration.

[Philip]

She seems to be asking from the perspective of an illegal, who is fearful of voting, and is afraid for the rest of her illegal family.

What kind of question is that? Illegals fearful of voting?

They should be fearful! They can't legally vote!

At best, Obama should've asked for clarification.

But with democrats famous for being easy on anyone who is illegal, so they can get their votes, this is where it leads.

Yes, you can't spin Obama's response! He was playing to the perspective of those for whom the question was asked. If he had a legal, constitutional view of the matter, automatically he would have asserted that they could not vote - even if he had categorized that as "currently true but unfortunate - and I'd like to see that changed." And what really bothers me about this is that there are so many people who don't understand the ramifications for allowing illegals rights that only Americans here legally should have. People don't appear to understand the dangers involved - nor the financial disaster, etc. We are either a nation of laws or we are not. We can't just be a nation for which the law becomes a joke - which is what we see happening more and more at the federal level.

[Philip]

Ed, let's clarify views - and not just fears - whether warranted or just supposed paranoia.

Do you think illegals should have rights of citizens? Should they be able to vote? Get benefits? Do you WANT them to have these rights and benefits through changes in how our legal system (mostly, if sometimes unlawfully) presently treats them while STILL being ILLEGALS? And note, that is a very different question than whether we should have a pathway and criteria for citizenship for people here illegally. We ALREADY do have such, but we could look at addressing reasonable aspects of changing it. Note that illegals desire to vote and have benefits, and yet they don't pay taxes. What other countries let just anyone come in and start receiving the benefits - without VERY strict criteria.

[abelcainsbrother]

I don't know Ed.

Reread the first quote from the interviewer:

RODRIGUEZ: Many of the millennials, Dreamers, undocumented citizens -- and I call them citizens because they contribute to this country -- are fearful of voting. So if I vote, will immigration know where I live? Will they come for my family and deport us?

She seems to be asking from the perspective of an illegal, who is fearful of voting, and is afraid for the rest of her illegal family.

What kind of question is that? Illegals fearful of voting?

They should be fearful! They can't legally vote!

At best, Obama should've asked for clarification.

Yeah, it was a weird question. Obama fielded it like a politician and turned it into an opportunity to say what he wanted Latino voters to hear. Then Neil Cavuto took what Obama said and turned it into what he wanted FOX viewers to believe. Business as usual, and not worth a second glance.

But with democrats famous for being easy on anyone who is illegal, so they can get their votes, this is where it leads.

You're pushing an overgeneralized, inaccurate, conservative talking point. How about some reality?

Obama favors a path to citizenship, but Latinos call him the Deporter-in-Chief (with good reason). Reagan signed the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986, which gave amnesty to three million illegal immigrants. George W. Bush proposed giving temporary legal status for at least 6 years to 8 million undocumented immigrants, provided they kept their jobs. He also snagged 40% of the Latino vote and won. Bill Clinton favored bilingual education, but pushed for hiring more border patrol agents and imposing tougher penalties for illegal entry, hiring illegal workers, and failure to depart. Hillary Clinton supports a path to citizenship. Donald Trump's position changes with the weather, but tends to be strongly nativist.

In short, the facts don't bear out current conservative talking points on immigration.

Wow! This kind of stuff shows that people have not actually listened to Trump because he has made it clear from day one and has not wavered one-bit,he has always been for LEGAL immigration. The wall is not to stop all immigration at all,it is to prevent unlawful entry,plus drugs coming across the border,criminals,gang members and Islamic terrorists. He has always made it clear he will put forth a plan so that immigrants can come in legally. People do not actually listen to Trump though,instead they parrot what they hear that is'nt true.

It is the same thing with trade also,liars claim Trump is against trade,is an isolationist,etc when he has made it clear he just wants to renegotiate trade deals putting America first,and this is not some new Trump idea because he's running for President,he has been speaking about how our leaders make bad trade deals allowing America to get ripped off for 40 years.He has been in the media for 40 years and when questioned he has said this many times. He is just running on it now.Please explain how renegotiating trade deals where America is not being ripped off,or other countries get the better deal makes Trump anti-trade. If you want to renegotiate trade deals it means you are for trade and not anti-trade.