Eternal Security...(Revised May 2015)

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Not meaning to sound Rude -- but about the Only thing that I'd agree with you on is your comment "I do not know what I am talking about, ok."
but you are not Nicky, crochet; you are an eavesdropper in that conversation, wadr.

thank you for your assessment, however.

At the bottom of this page there are 2 visitors -- listening in. We need to mind our manners. :ebiggrin:
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crochet1949 wrote:
bbyrd009 wrote:
crochet1949 wrote:
Not meaning to sound Rude -- but about the Only thing that I'd agree with you on is your comment "I do not know what I am talking about, ok."
but you are not Nicky, crochet; you are an eavesdropper in that conversation, wadr.

thank you for your assessment, however.

At the bottom of this page there are 2 visitors -- listening in. We need to mind our manners. :ebiggrin:
I see six "eavesdropping" guests! The nerve of some people! :pound:
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crochet1949 wrote:
bbyrd009 wrote:
crochet1949 wrote:
Not meaning to sound Rude -- but about the Only thing that I'd agree with you on is your comment "I do not know what I am talking about, ok."
but you are not Nicky, crochet; you are an eavesdropper in that conversation, wadr.

thank you for your assessment, however.

You Do realize that this is an open forum -- anyone can join in or not-- at the bottom of pages it tells who is signed in and how many - if any- visitors are 'listening in'.
ah, thought i changed that? anyway, no prob; best barometer i got, i guess :lol:
(usually isn't women, bite on that one, though)

aside from Scripture i mean, man, people giving you their take on Scripture? that is a straight fillet, there.
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jpbg33 wrote:the rapture will happen.

If you interpret the bible as not being literal then the cross did not happen Jesus opening the blinded eyes didn't happen it was not literal. Jesus doesn't literally forgive us of all our sins the list go's on.

See how stupid that is.

It is not smart to say the rapture will not happen. Especially if you are using the bible as your proof.
you are talking to someone who has met Him in the air, though, jpbg...hope you do, too. Meanwhile, you can affirm women pastors from one side, and don't from the other, as long as you want to, ok. Don't find love, until you are ready
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bbyrd009 wrote:
jpbg33 wrote:the rapture will happen.

If you interpret the bible as not being literal then the cross did not happen Jesus opening the blinded eyes didn't happen it was not literal. Jesus doesn't literally forgive us of all our sins the list go's on.

See how stupid that is.

It is not smart to say the rapture will not happen. Especially if you are using the bible as your proof.
you are talking to someone who has met Him in the air, though, jpbg...hope you do, too. Meanwhile, you can affirm women pastors from one side, and don't from the other, as long as you want to, ok. Don't find love, until you are ready

Maybe I'll regret asking this, but, you're saying that you , personally, have already met Him in the air? Please explain. Cause you're still here.
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First of all you have not met Jesus in the air.

Second

bbyrd009 wrote this

Meanwhile, you can affirm women pastors from one side, and don't from the other, as long as you want to, ok. Don't find love, until you are ready
What does any of this have to do with what we are saying.

I have no problem with women pastors are you saying you do.

O yaw one other thing do you believe Jesus died on a cross?
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I'm the one who has a problem with women as pastors Because Scripture says a pastor / elder / bishop is to be the husband of one wife. Amongst many other qualifications. A woman Can't be a husband -- she's a Wife.

"Don't find love, until you are ready"? What does that comment have to do with anything that we are talking about.
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bbyrd009 wrote:
crochet1949 wrote:
bbyrd009 wrote:
crochet1949 wrote:
Not meaning to sound Rude -- but about the Only thing that I'd agree with you on is your comment "I do not know what I am talking about, ok."
but you are not Nicky, crochet; you are an eavesdropper in that conversation, wadr.

thank you for your assessment, however.

You Do realize that this is an open forum -- anyone can join in or not-- at the bottom of pages it tells who is signed in and how many - if any- visitors are 'listening in'.
ah, thought i changed that? anyway, no prob; best barometer i got, i guess :lol:
(usually isn't women, bite on that one, though)

aside from Scripture i mean, man, people giving you their take on Scripture? that is a straight fillet, there.

It's perfectly okay to share viewpoints on Bible passages -- various perspectives -- we Can learn from each other. But, rather than say that the other person is Wrong -- it's better to say 'how about This perspective'. That way - the Other person can Always say something like "okay, never thought of it That way" -- Or 'you've got a good point'.

Your phrase "a straight fillet" -- it's a figure of speech, but from what country? Possibly British?
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crochet1949 wrote:I'm the one who has a problem with women as pastors Because Scripture says a pastor / elder / bishop is to be the husband of one wife. Amongst many other qualifications. A woman Can't be a husband -- she's a Wife.

"Don't find love, until you are ready"? What does that comment have to do with anything that we are talking about.
Come on crochet, get on board with the 21st century!

Women can be husbands, and men can be wives:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.lifesi ... ent=safari
You Christians sure are stuck in the 1950's!
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24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.


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I see were the bible says that a pastor should be a man.

But if a woman started a church and was preaching God's word I do not think she would go to hell for that.

I would not want to go to a church with a woman pastor because biblically they shouldn't be pastors but I do not have a problem with them. I don't think I could vote for a woman pastor either. I will let God work that one out
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jpbg33 wrote:I see were the bible says that a pastor should be a man.

But if a woman started a church and was preaching God's word I do not think she would go to hell for that.

I would not want to go to a church with a woman pastor because biblically they shouldn't be pastors but I do not have a problem with them. I don't think I could vote for a woman pastor either. I will let God work that one out

I'm NOT suggesting that a woman will be going to hell for That. But it IS a Biblical guideline -- and people simply Don't like following those. There are women who are Great public speakers and proclaimers of God's Word -- they go to Women's Retreats to speak to all women's audiences -- they teach / lead Women's Bible Studies.
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RickD wrote:
crochet1949 wrote:I'm the one who has a problem with women as pastors Because Scripture says a pastor / elder / bishop is to be the husband of one wife. Amongst many other qualifications. A woman Can't be a husband -- she's a Wife.

"Don't find love, until you are ready"? What does that comment have to do with anything that we are talking about.
Come on crochet, get on board with the 21st century!

Women can be husbands, and men can be wives:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.lifesi ... ent=safari
You Christians sure are stuck in the 1950's!
:shower: :fainting:

So -- apparently the UK has a 'strange' government. The same-sex union thing. Don't get me started on THAT.
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crochet1949 wrote:
RickD wrote:
crochet1949 wrote:I'm the one who has a problem with women as pastors Because Scripture says a pastor / elder / bishop is to be the husband of one wife. Amongst many other qualifications. A woman Can't be a husband -- she's a Wife.

"Don't find love, until you are ready"? What does that comment have to do with anything that we are talking about.
Come on crochet, get on board with the 21st century!

Women can be husbands, and men can be wives:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.lifesi ... ent=safari
You Christians sure are stuck in the 1950's!
:shower: :fainting:

So -- apparently the UK has a 'strange' government. The same-sex union thing. Don't get me started on THAT.

If you Really want a man to make your 'sammich' for you -- by all means Go for it. :lol:
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crochet1949 wrote:
jpbg33 wrote:I see were the bible says that a pastor should be a man.

But if a woman started a church and was preaching God's word I do not think she would go to hell for that.

I would not want to go to a church with a woman pastor because biblically they shouldn't be pastors but I do not have a problem with them. I don't think I could vote for a woman pastor either. I will let God work that one out

I'm NOT suggesting that a woman will be going to hell for That. But it IS a Biblical guideline -- and people simply Don't like following those. There are women who are Great public speakers and proclaimers of God's Word -- they go to Women's Retreats to speak to all women's audiences -- they teach / lead Women's Bible Studies.

I used to think this way too but consider this biblical viewpoint. The church at Corinth had many problems Paul was addressing in his letter to them,it was a church of chaos that had many problems and one problem was women talking during the church service disrupting it,asking their husbands questions,etc during the church service interrupting it so Paul was just telling women to be quite in the church and do not interrupt the church service and he was not talking about preaching/ministering in church or being a pastor,he just told women to be quite and keep silent and wait until you get home to ask questions,don't do it during the church service because you're disrupting it while there is preaching going on. Go to 1st Corinthians chapter 1 and read the little paragraph that is right before you start reading the 1st chapter and see all of the problems the church at Corinth had.
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crochet1949 wrote:
bbyrd009 wrote:
jpbg33 wrote:the rapture will happen.

If you interpret the bible as not being literal then the cross did not happen Jesus opening the blinded eyes didn't happen it was not literal. Jesus doesn't literally forgive us of all our sins the list go's on.

See how stupid that is.

It is not smart to say the rapture will not happen. Especially if you are using the bible as your proof.
you are talking to someone who has met Him in the air, though, jpbg...hope you do, too. Meanwhile, you can affirm women pastors from one side, and don't from the other, as long as you want to, ok. Don't find love, until you are ready

Maybe I'll regret asking this, but, you're saying that you , personally, have already met Him in the air? Please explain. Cause you're still here.
well, i hope you understand, when i said "no prob," i meant "you are forgiven," not "i am your doormat, thank you, sir, may i have another" ok. I'm still here, yes; and plenty of people are walking around "dead" as far as God is concerned, too. So i am just inviting you to start "believing all things," and maybe stop with the "knowing all things," per Who says he knows does not yet know as he ought ok.
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