Understanding the Trinity

[jenna]

Jenna, I was serious with my comments. Where did I call a name other than Sir? And the point I made I believe is very relevant. There are stupid questions, and I believe the ones I asked at the end of my own post are just as stupid as the fruits of the Trinity question.

my comments werent directed to you, K.

[jenna]

Jenna,

Heresy, as far as theology, is anything that is at odds with my beliefs.

Seriously though, heresy is:

belief or opinion contrary to orthodox religious (especially Christian) doctrine.

i figured as much, that anything heretic would be something against what you believe. in that case i better not say any more, or you might try to burn me at the stake.

I hope you know I was joking about saying that heresy is anything that is at odds with what I believe.

And, I'd only burn you at the stake, after you make me a sammich.

hmm. the way i make sammiches, you might burn me BECAUSE i made you one....

[RickD]

Jenna,

Heresy, as far as theology, is anything that is at odds with my beliefs.

Seriously though, heresy is:

belief or opinion contrary to orthodox religious (especially Christian) doctrine.

i figured as much, that anything heretic would be something against what you believe. in that case i better not say any more, or you might try to burn me at the stake.

I hope you know I was joking about saying that heresy is anything that is at odds with what I believe.

And, I'd only burn you at the stake, after you make me a sammich.

hmm. the way i make sammiches, you might burn me BECAUSE i made you one....

A woman who can't make a sammich? No such thing. You're obviously lying, as a feeble attempt at getting out of your God given womanly sammich making duties.

[jenna]

Jenna,

Heresy, as far as theology, is anything that is at odds with my beliefs.

Seriously though, heresy is:

i figured as much, that anything heretic would be something against what you believe. in that case i better not say any more, or you might try to burn me at the stake.

I hope you know I was joking about saying that heresy is anything that is at odds with what I believe.

And, I'd only burn you at the stake, after you make me a sammich.

hmm. the way i make sammiches, you might burn me BECAUSE i made you one....

A woman who can't make a sammich? No such thing. You're obviously lying, as a feeble attempt at getting out of your God given womanly sammich making duties.

haha, i didnt say i couldnt make them. i said you wouldnt like the way i do it. never make someone mad if they are making your food

[Jac3510]

I never understood why we ought not call people names. I mean, isn't "Hey Rick" a lot better than "Hey, you with the funny nose"? I call my kids names every day -- Elly and Charlotte (or sometimes Charlie, Chuck, or Chuckles -- when Charlotte is Chuckles, Elly is usually Giggles). I don't call my wife names, though. I know better than that. With her, it's either "Love," "Dear," "Baby," or very often just "Master."

yes it is true we call people names every day. however when those names can be hurtful, i do my best to not do that. i guess i can just call Rick sammich man?

I know. My wife calls me hurtful names sometimes. It usually happens when she gets mad at me. She says "CHRIS!!!" really, really loud, and it gives me a really bad headache. I ask her not to do that, but that only seems to make it worse.

Can I have a sammich, too?

[jenna]

I never understood why we ought not call people names. I mean, isn't "Hey Rick" a lot better than "Hey, you with the funny nose"? I call my kids names every day -- Elly and Charlotte (or sometimes Charlie, Chuck, or Chuckles -- when Charlotte is Chuckles, Elly is usually Giggles). I don't call my wife names, though. I know better than that. With her, it's either "Love," "Dear," "Baby," or very often just "Master."

yes it is true we call people names every day. however when those names can be hurtful, i do my best to not do that. i guess i can just call Rick sammich man?

I know. My wife calls me hurtful names sometimes. It usually happens when she gets mad at me. She says "CHRIS!!!" really, really loud, and it gives me a really bad headache. I ask her not to do that, but that only seems to make it worse.

Can I have a sammich, too?

but of course! i will make you a good one, only because i feel sorry for you.

[Philip]

So, I'll never forget the time she got really mad at me, and called me a "little $hit".

Why, is she that tall?

[RickD]

So, I'll never forget the time she got really mad at me, and called me a "little $hit".

Why, is she that tall?

Here's a recent picture of us:

[Philip]

Here's a recent picture of us:



Well, it does look a bit like you might be taking a bit of a poop there. What is that, one of those new bamboo toilets?

Actually, the only short thing I'd be concerned about is that skirt she's wearing - kind of skimpy, Rick. You need to hide her back in the kitchen, where she belongs.

BTW, I heard about a good job opening for you (ya gotta bring your own helmet!).

[bbyrd009]

me? responding? you gotta be kidding, right. i'll hold out for some witness of the fruit, wadr, ty.

now wait just a minute. this is your response? really? after all that b.w. and the others went through to try to explain what they believe in and to answer everything you have asked?

ok then, i just briefly scanned BWs reply, and i'm not quite seeing how it applies, so i'll sleep on it. I thought i was following good advice, wadr, that being just to shut up and forget about it, lol.

Any doctrine (idea) produces fruit, just as the fruit of...what were we talking about here? Trinity? Yes, just as Trinity doctrine does. So, i'll take the evening to go through the posts here, as this has likely already been resolved in my absence, and the fruit has now prolly been examined from every angle, i guess. so, see you in the am.

[Kurieuo]

@bbyrd, I still don't understand the "fruit" thing. Take a look at RickD's quote of Audie in his post signature: "Christianity is not a joke, but it has some very poor representatives." Sadly, no matter what doctrine or belief there is under the Sun, no matter how true or false, there are still poor representatives in every corner.

What is more important, I believe, is a consistent theology and what is the truth as such.

[crochet1949]

Doctrine means 'what does God's Word say on' a given subject. So - what does Scripture say about the Trinity / Godhead. That God is the Father, Jesus Christ is His Son, and the Holy Spirit. And what each part of the Godhead Does based on what Scripture says. Scripture teaches about Many subjects.

[bbyrd009]

Mat 6:9 In this manner, therefore, pray:

Our Father who is me on earth, Hallowed be my name.
My kingdom come. my will be done On earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our debts, As we forgive our debtors.
And do not lead us into temptation, But deliver us from the evil one. For mine is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever.
Amen.

can you expand on this a little? it is a bit to distilled, perhaps, for me to accept. Do you have another Witness for this pov, or how do you justify the "who is me, on earth" part, iow. ty.

Kurieo, the fruit may perhaps come out here; i guess i am arguing this on another thread, already, so i may end up migrating that, we'll see.

[bbyrd009]

Doctrine means 'what does God's Word say on' a given subject.

then state your doctrine, and i will state its antithesis, with Witnesses, so that we can clear this misunderstanding up, because while that is what "doctrine" is supposed to be, we obviously have believers with a Trinity doctrine, and believers without, both with Scriptural support, so apparently the definition of "doctrine" is not adhering to your definition of "doctrine."

So - what does Scripture say about the Trinity / Godhead.

my Bible search yields no return for this phrase.

That God is the Father, Jesus Christ is His Son, and the Holy Spirit. And what each part of the Godhead Does based on what Scripture says.

ergo, when you pick up your cross and follow Him, you become a savior, also. You become God, not a god, just as i am being advised to pray "Our Father, who is me on earth."

which i don't know if i disagree with that or not, mind, i am not disagreeing, because it depends upon how that is meant.

[crochet1949]

Doctrine means 'what does God's Word say on' a given subject.

then state your doctrine, and i will state its antithesis, with Witnesses, so that we can clear this misunderstanding up, because while that is what "doctrine" is supposed to be, we obviously have believers with a Trinity doctrine, and believers without, both with Scriptural support, so apparently the definition of "doctrine" is not adhering to your definition of "doctrine."

So - what does Scripture say about the Trinity / Godhead.

my Bible search yields no return for this phrase.

That God is the Father, Jesus Christ is His Son, and the Holy Spirit. And what each part of the Godhead Does based on what Scripture says.

ergo, when you pick up your cross and follow Him, you become a savior, also. You become God, not a god, just as i am being advised to pray "Our Father, who is me on earth."

which i don't know if i disagree with that or not, mind, i am not disagreeing, because it depends upon how that is meant.

What do you mean by 'Witnesses' first of all. You've used that term with 'W' several times in the past. I've never asked about it.

The term 'Godhead' is used in one passage in the NKJ version -- Colossians 2:9 "For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily;"

Matthew 28:18 - 20. "Go therefore, and make disciples of all he nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit."

It's the Bible, God's Word teaching / presenting the Tri-unity. the 3 - in- one. The term 'trinity' is Not found in the Bible -- but the teaching -- it's Presence Is definitely There. It is Assumed Because of it's useage.

The first useage is in Genesis -- the creation of Man. 1:26 "Then God said "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness." the 'Us' and 'Our'. Plural. Not singular.

The role of the trinity in our salvation. The Holy Spirit came upon Mary and she conceived and bore the Christ-child.
God became Man and dwelt amongst us. In the Form of Jesus Christ His Son. While here on earth -- Jesus Christ prayed to the Father. God raised His Son from the dead.

BYW -- in another post you said something about people Becoming God. NO. 'We' Never become 'God' or even Mini-Gods.
And, yes, Christians are challenged to pick up our cross daily and follow Him. That does Not mean that we 'become' Jesus Christ / God because He carried a real cross that He was hung on. It Does mean that Christians Are going to have problems in life -- simply because we Do accept Jesus Christ as our personal Savior. We Will have problems because Of that -- so we are to Continue to live our Christian life and continue to Follow God's Word.