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Kind of sad when the President of Russia becomes the defender of Christianity and western civilization.
A further challenge for the national Russian identity is connected to the processes we observe outside of Russia. They include foreign policy, moral, and other aspects. We see that many Euro-Atlantic states have taken the way where they deny or reject their own roots, including their Christian roots which form the basis of Western civilization.

In these countries, the moral basis and any traditional identity are being denied - national, religious, cultural, and even gender identities are being denied or relativised. There, politics treats a family with many children as juridically equal to a homosexual partnership; faith in God is equal to faith in Satan. The excesses and exaggerations of political correctness in these countries indeed leads to serious consideration for the legitimization of parties that promote the propaganda of paedophilia.

The people in many European states are actually ashamed of their religious affiliations and are indeed frightened to speak about them. Christian holidays and celebrations are abolished or "neutrally" renamed, as if one were ashamed of those Christian holidays. With this method one hides away the deeper moral value of those celebrations.

And these countries try to force this model onto other nations, globally. I am deeply convinced that this is a direct way to the degradation and primitivization of culture. This leds to deeper demographic and moral crisis in the West.

What can be better evidence for the moral crisis of human society in the West than the loss of its reproductive function? And today nearly all "developed" Western countries cannot survive reproductively, not even with the help of migrants.

Without the moral values that are rooted in Christianity and other world religions, without rules and moral values which have formed, and been developed, over millennia, people will inevitably lose their human dignity and become brutes. And we think it is right and natural to defend and preserve these Christian moral values.

One has to respect the right of every minority to self-determination, but at the same time there cannot and must not be any doubt about the rights of the majority.

At the same time as this process plays out at a national level in the West, we observe on an international level the attempts to create a unipolar, unified model of the world, to relativise and remove institutions of international rights and national sovereignty. In such a unipolar, unified world there is no place for sovereign states. Such a world needs merely vassals.

From a historical perspective, such a unipolar world would mean the surrender of one's own identity and of God-created diversity.
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Time to learn Russian, I believe.

нет проблем!

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IceMobster wrote:Time to learn Russian, I believe.

нет проблем!

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Lo siento pero yo ya estoy trabajando en espaniol và việt.
Proinsias wrote:I don't think you are hearing me. Preference for ice cream is a moral issue
And that, brothers and sisters, is the kind of foolishness you get people who insist on denying biblical theism. A good illustration of any as the length people will go to avoid acknowledging basic truths.
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Jac3510 wrote:
IceMobster wrote:Time to learn Russian, I believe.

нет проблем!

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Lo siento pero yo ya estoy trabajando en espaniol và việt.
I think you need a little more work on your español, not espaniol, Señor Brian.
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Proinsias wrote:I don't think you are hearing me. Preference for ice cream is a moral issue
And that, brothers and sisters, is the kind of foolishness you get people who insist on denying biblical theism. A good illustration of any as the length people will go to avoid acknowledging basic truths.
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This is probably a controversial view, but are we sure Vladimir Putin is as bad as we think he is?

I mean, according to prophecy, Israel will be threatened from the east (Islam) and the north (Russia/more Islam?) but maybe Putin is not the Ba'al we're looking for?
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Hortator wrote:This is probably a controversial view, but are we sure Vladimir Putin is as bad as we think he is?

I mean, according to prophecy, Israel will be threatened from the east (Islam) and the north (Russia/more Islam?) but maybe Putin is not the Ba'al we're looking for?
I agree,according to bible prophecy Russia will lead a coalition of Islamic nations in a war against Israel and nobody helps Israel,including the US,UK,etc and yet Israel wins this war because God himself will helps them win. But they seem to be no threat to the US,only Israel.
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Hortator wrote:This is probably a controversial view, but are we sure Vladimir Putin is as bad as we think he is?
He's the autocratic leader of a powerful nation that wants to become more powerful and is willing to use military force, espionage, assassination, cyber warfare, and who knows what else in order to become so. So yes, he's a threat to his neighbors, to American interests, and to global stability. He's damned sure not our friend in any sense of the word. Whether or not that makes him "bad" is a matter of perspective.
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abelcainsbrother wrote:I agree,according to bible prophecy Russia will lead a coalition of Islamic nations in a war against Israel and nobody helps Israel,including the US,UK,etc and yet Israel wins this war because God himself will helps them win. But they seem to be no threat to the US,only Israel.
Where does the Bible mention Russia, Islam, the US, or the UK?
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edwardmurphy wrote:
abelcainsbrother wrote:I agree,according to bible prophecy Russia will lead a coalition of Islamic nations in a war against Israel and nobody helps Israel,including the US,UK,etc and yet Israel wins this war because God himself will helps them win. But they seem to be no threat to the US,only Israel.
Where does the Bible mention Russia, Islam, the US, or the UK?
Do you know about history,geography,etc? If you do? Then read Ezekiel 38. For instance " Land of Magog = Russia, Persia = Iran,etc. If you don't know about history and geography? You may not know who it is talking about.It requires study to understand bible prophecy.
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edwardmurphy wrote:
Hortator wrote:This is probably a controversial view, but are we sure Vladimir Putin is as bad as we think he is?
He's the autocratic leader of a powerful nation that wants to become more powerful and is willing to use military force, espionage, assassination, cyber warfare, and who knows what else in order to become so. So yes, he's a threat to his neighbors, to American interests, and to global stability. He's damned sure not our friend in any sense of the word. Whether or not that makes him "bad" is a matter of perspective.

So you want nuclear war? You want to restart the cold war because you don't like Putin? Since when have Democrats been for war? With Trump we are moving away from fighting costly wars unless America is under severe threat of attack against America. This is why when we build up our military nobody will be stupid enough to attack the US. A strong military is about deterrence,not war.The money we waste fighting wars could be going to improve our infrastructure in America.
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edwardmurphy wrote:
abelcainsbrother wrote:I agree,according to bible prophecy Russia will lead a coalition of Islamic nations in a war against Israel and nobody helps Israel,including the US,UK,etc and yet Israel wins this war because God himself will helps them win. But they seem to be no threat to the US,only Israel.
Where does the Bible mention Russia, Islam, the US, or the UK?
The idea that Russia will lead an attack against Israel is a pretty popular one based on Eze 38-39. I actually don't think the Russia connection can be maintained. I know that you don't particularly care about inter-Christian squabbles about the interpretations of the book of Ezekiel, but maybe you'll find this paper interesting, Ed. It's published in the Journal of the Evangelical Theological Society, which is pretty high end scholarship. Really hard to get them to publish you.

Rethinking Ezekiel's Invasion by Gog

It's written by Paul Tanner, who really is a good rate scholar, and this is very much within his field of expertise. So I don't think ACB is right about Russia. And in ACB's defense, I don't think he is saying that the US or UK are mentioned in the Bible. He said that "nobody" would help Israel during the war in question, and that seems pretty clearly implied in the text. Since nobody will help, if it were to actually happen, that would mean that the US wouldn't help. And finally, while Islam is not mentioned--how could it, since the Ezekiel prophecy was written a thousand years before Islam existed?--the text is explicit that the armies will come from modern day Iran, Iraq, and North Africa. You don't have to be a Bible scholar to see the Islamic connection.

Anyway, I would recommend you read through the article. It's interesting, even if for no other reason than you might get some insight into the way literally millions of Americans consider a pretty major part of our foreign policy.
Proinsias wrote:I don't think you are hearing me. Preference for ice cream is a moral issue
And that, brothers and sisters, is the kind of foolishness you get people who insist on denying biblical theism. A good illustration of any as the length people will go to avoid acknowledging basic truths.
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Jac3510 wrote:
edwardmurphy wrote:
abelcainsbrother wrote:I agree,according to bible prophecy Russia will lead a coalition of Islamic nations in a war against Israel and nobody helps Israel,including the US,UK,etc and yet Israel wins this war because God himself will helps them win. But they seem to be no threat to the US,only Israel.
Where does the Bible mention Russia, Islam, the US, or the UK?
The idea that Russia will lead an attack against Israel is a pretty popular one based on Eze 38-39. I actually don't think the Russia connection can be maintained. I know that you don't particularly care about inter-Christian squabbles about the interpretations of the book of Ezekiel, but maybe you'll find this paper interesting, Ed. It's published in the Journal of the Evangelical Theological Society, which is pretty high end scholarship. Really hard to get them to publish you.

Rethinking Ezekiel's Invasion by Gog

It's written by Paul Tanner, who really is a good rate scholar, and this is very much within his field of expertise. So I don't think ACB is right about Russia. And in ACB's defense, I don't think he is saying that the US or UK are mentioned in the Bible. He said that "nobody" would help Israel during the war in question, and that seems pretty clearly implied in the text. Since nobody will help, if it were to actually happen, that would mean that the US wouldn't help. And finally, while Islam is not mentioned--how could it, since the Ezekiel prophecy was written a thousand years before Islam existed?--the text is explicit that the armies will come from modern day Iran, Iraq, and North Africa. You don't have to be a Bible scholar to see the Islamic connection.

Anyway, I would recommend you read through the article. It's interesting, even if for no other reason than you might get some insight into the way literally millions of Americans consider a pretty major part of our foreign policy.
Thanks Jac I will read it and see what I think about it. I'm already aware of other interpretations when it comes to who the Land of Magog is and some claiming it is not Russia.But I like to learn and reading different perspectives can help us to learn.I've changed some of my views on bible prophecy than what I once believed. Like for instance the woman riding the scarlet colored beast I used to think it was false religion but I now believe it is America. Revelation 17:4,15-16,18. Revelation 18:1-19. However this happens during the tribulation period after we have been raptured. I just don't see how false religion can fit this prophecy in the last days compared to America,and if true? This means America will remain strong until then. I think that America is the one country that is standing in the anti-christ's way to bring in the mark of the beast system on the whole world and so America has to be taken out for it to happen.
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Hortator wrote:This is probably a controversial view, but are we sure Vladimir Putin is as bad as we think he is?

I mean, according to prophecy, Israel will be threatened from the east (Islam) and the north (Russia/more Islam?) but maybe Putin is not the Ba'al we're looking for?

No leader of ANY country is trustworthy ( we all know what they have to do to get elected, how much morals they have to compromise, if they have any to start with).

That said Putin is, quite simply, a nationalist.
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Putin coming out on top:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/ ... east-syria

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Labelled an international pariah only months ago by Boris Johnson, and warned he would be stuck in a Syrian quagmire by a patronising Barack Obama, Vladimir Putin ends 2016 if not as the undisputed victor, then at least as the man at the centre of decision making.

It is Moscow and not Washington that is calling the shots in the Middle East.

Reeling from its cold war defeat and the subsequent collapse of the Soviet empire, Moscow was unable to save Yugoslavia from what it termed western aggression.

But in the case of Syria, it can claim it has recovered its self-respect. In the process, it has built a brutal reputation for sticking by its friends, understanding the dynamics of the region better than America, and knowing how to use military power to forge diplomatic alliances.

The US, by contrast, ends 2016 out in the cold, holding a postmortem into the failure of its peace drive with Israel.
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