B. W. wrote:What I mean by this is to clarify if you believe Jesus became Deity when he was begotten. Is this what you mean by your statement - Christ was a man empowered by God to do all that he did, and performed acts with the authority of God which God delegated to him.
Fortigurn wrote:No I do not believe that Christ became Deity when he was begotten. Christ was a man empowered by God to do all that he did, and performed acts with the authority of God which God delegated to him. He was a man, not Deity.
Thank you, I needed this clarification and again thank you for again proving that the Doctrine of the Trinity is reveled in the bible. The doctrine stands or falls on who Jesus is. Let's let the word speak:
It is amazing then that scripture, states in Hebrews 6:13 “For when God made a promise to Abraham, since He had no one greater by whom to swear,
He swore by himself” (RSV)
And in context, Hebrews 6: 17-18 “Wherein God, willing to show more abundantly to the heirs of the promise the unchangeableness of his purpose, intervened by an oath, that by two unchangeable things, in which it was
impossible that God should lie, we might have a strong encouragement, who have fled for refuge to lay hold on the hope set before us (Darby)”
B. W. wrote: Mr. Fortigurn, I would like to thank you again for proving that Jesus Christ was God manifest in the Flesh and proving without doubt that Jesus is the second person of the trinity
because as it is written in Isaiah 48: 11 “For my own sake, for my own sake, I do it, for how should my name be profaned?
My glory I will not give to another (RSV)”
B. W. wrote: God states clearly that He will not give His glory to another and that “God is not man, that he should lie, or a son of man, that he should repent. Has he said, and will he not do it? Or has he spoken, and will he not fulfill it?” Numbers 23:19 - RSV
Therefore the Messiah spoken of in Isaiah 42:1-8 “Behold my servant, whom I uphold, my chosen, in whom my soul delights; I have put my Spirit upon him, he will bring forth justice to the nations. He will not cry or lift up his voice, or make it heard in the street; a bruised reed he will not break, and a dimly burning wick he will not quench; he will faithfully bring forth justice. He will not fail or be discouraged till he has established justice in the earth; and the coastlands wait for his law. Thus says
God, the LORD, who created the heavens and stretched them out, who spread forth the earth and what comes from it, who gives breath to the people upon it and spirit to those who walk in it: "I am the LORD, I have called you in righteousness, I have taken you by the hand and kept you; I have given you as a covenant to the people, a light to the nations, to open the eyes that are blind, to bring out the prisoners from the dungeon, from the prison those who sit in darkness.
I am the LORD that is my name; my glory I give to no other, nor my praise to graven images — RSV.”
Isaiah 43:11-14 —
“I, I am the LORD, and besides me there is no savior. I declared and saved and proclaimed, when there was no strange god among you; and you are my witnesses," says the LORD. "I am God, and also henceforth I am He; there is none who can deliver from my hand; I work and who can hinder it?" Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel.” RSV
Isaiah 44:6-7, 8 “Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and His Redeemer, the LORD of hosts:
I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god. Who is like me? Let him proclaim it, let him declare and set it forth before me. Who has announced from of old the things to come? Let them tell us what is yet to be…
Is there a God besides me? There is no Rock; I know not any."” RSV
Isaiah 45: 19-23I did not speak in secret, in a land of darkness; I did not say to the offspring of Jacob, 'Seek me in chaos.' I the LORD speak the truth, I declare what is right. "Assemble yourselves and come, draw near together, you survivors of the nations! They have no knowledge who carry about their wooden idols, and keep on praying to a god that cannot save. Declare and present your case; let them take counsel together! Who told this long ago? Who declared it of old? Was it not I, the LORD?
And there is no other god besides me, a righteous God and a Savior; there is none besides me. "Turn to me and be saved, all the ends of the earth! For I am God, and there is no other. By myself I have sworn, from my mouth has gone forth in righteousness a word that shall not return: 'To me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear. ” RSV
Philippians 2:9-11 “ Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name which is above every name, that at the
name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”
Revelations 1:7, 17-4-18 "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty…17-18 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right hand upon me, saying,
"Fear not, I am the first and the last, and the living one; I died, and behold I am alive for evermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades. ”
Hebrews 1:1-2 “ In many and various ways God spoke of old to our fathers by the prophets; but in these last days he has spoken to us by a Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things,
through whom also he created the world. He reflects the glory of God and
bears the very stamp of his nature, upholding the universe by his word of power. When he had made purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, having become as much superior to angels as the name he has obtained is more excellent than theirs. (RSV)”
Acts 4:8-12 — speaking in context of Jesus Christ, “
And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved. ” KJV
1 Thessalonians 5:9 —“For God has not destined us for wrath, but to obtain
salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ” KJV
B. W. wrote: Yes, Mr. Fortigurn, you have done it again — proved that Jesus Christ was God truly manifest in the flesh. As the bible proclaims — We see that Jesus created the universe and worlds! That Salvation is by Jesus and no other! Jesus is the First and the Last! If not, Mr Fortigurn, GOD LIED!!!!
God cannot lie — Jesus is other than what you think him to be!
Can you join in and sing?
Revelation 19:1 — “After these things I heard a loud voice of a great multitude in heaven, saying, “Alleluia! Salvation and glory and power belong to our God.” NKJV
Oh, I forgot, your superior text omits 'belong to our God' in this verse!
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