Illuminati Plan A Fake Antichrist Before The False Messiah

[Stu]

I've never heard this one before that the Illuminati plan on bringing in a fake antichrist so that they can fool people into accepting their true false messiah.

Check out this video with former Illuminati Carolyn Hamlett. Even if you don't believe that she was Illuminati at least you are awake to the fact that they could bring in a fake antichrist.

[thatkidakayoungguy]

But does the Bible say this?

[Stu]

But does the Bible say this?

I don't think the Bible goes into that much detail. It tells us of THE Antichrist but doesn't say if there was a "pretender" that comes before.

[Philip]

If there is a concern and threat to God's chosen ones, HE will - or has already - informed us as to what we need to know. We don't need dubious speculation from all manner of people who supposedly have insights upon what might happen or when. It's just as pointless as all of the end time books, tapes, websites, blogs - all a complete waste of time without the necessary facts available to determine such things. Notice that Scripture itself doesn't dwell upon the end times, more than to give an outline sketch of them - much key information is still missing - info that is the ONLY way true clarity to these things can be determined. Which means those asserting presently unknowable future things are totally speculating.

[Stu]

If there is a concern and threat to God's chosen ones, HE will - or has already - informed us as to what we need to know. We don't need dubious speculation from all manner of people who supposedly have insights upon what might happen or when. It's just as pointless as all of the end time books, tapes, websites, blogs - all a complete waste of time without the necessary facts available to determine such things. Notice that Scripture itself doesn't dwell upon the end times, more than to give an outline sketch of them - much key information is still missing - info that is the ONLY way true clarity to these things can be determined. Which means those asserting presently unknowable future things are totally speculating.

No that is just not true. There are many Christians that are in the dark about many things concerning the ends times. You have to make the effort to ask God. We are not puppets on a string and God does not send messages to every Christian on earth if we don't ask.

Here is a lady that was in the Illuminati and tells of their plans. It is information that can be used to protect oneself from the schemes of satan in the end times.

Waste of time. What an absolutely ludicrous statement to make. If the USA knew the plans of the Japanese ahead of time they could've used that to great effect in their war against them. Same applies here.

Do you even believe we are in the end times?

[thatkidakayoungguy]

Well, if there will be a pretender, it'd seem that they'd have to match the criteria for the antichrist, or at least most. And the only one to fill that role would be the antichrist, someone who will make a peace treaty with Israel for 7 years and break it in the middle, to claim he is GOD, come from north of Israel, likely in the southern European or middle eastern region, will along with the false prophet control the economic system of the world, and will be worshipped by most. Now if a pretender can do this and be found a phony, and wouldn't go into the lake of fire when Jesus comes, then when the real one comes most would probably reject him. Then again, history repeats itself so it's likely people would follow the real one if there was a pretender beforehand.

[Philip]

Stu: No that is just not true. There are many Christians that are in the dark about many things concerning the ends times. You have to make the effort to ask God.

Does God answer every thing we wish to know and WHEN we wish to? Are you saying some people have future knowledge of events that God hasn't revealed to His Church as a whole - DETAILS about end times, how it will go down, and when???

Stu: Here is a lady that was in the Illuminati and tells of their plans. It is information that can be used to protect oneself from the schemes of satan in the end times.

YOU nor anyone else has any idea of the details of how the end times will go down - beyond what Scripture has given us a basic sketch of. You have no idea that what someone says is true, authoritative, or that they have some future knowledge of world events - beyond what we've been told. As pivotal DETAILS are both contingent and not YET available.

Stu: Waste of time. What an absolutely ludicrous statement to make. If the USA knew the plans of the Japanese ahead of time they could've used that to great effect in their war against them. Same applies here.

The problem is, Stu, you DON'T know of what the end time event DETAILS will be, the timing, nor the exact identities of the individual players - no one does, YET. That's why books are sold and blogs are read - interesting, wildly speculative, but not authoritative. Now, does it make sense to pay attention to what we may find that various evil current entities might be planning? Sure. But such does not equate to the End Times script God perfectly knows will happen. BTW - while Believers can be prepared for that time, the events themselves will STILL go down. But NO one yet knows the details. So, obsessing over unkwowable future events - beyond being prepared for them SPIRITUALLY - IS a waste of time. Conspiracy theories - whether related to future Bible events or current politics - total waste of time!

Stu: Do you even believe we are in the end times?

MAYBE we are. Many things seem to indicate we've crossed some thresholds. However, my dad, when he was 21, saw much of the world at war, led by evil entities. At the center of it, was a man (Hitler) whose symbol was a broken cross. Who was Hitler obsessed with eradicating from the earth? The Jews! What do you think many thought, at the time: "This is it, we're HERE!" What do you think the Jews of the day, thought about the prophecies of Daniel, with the "Abomination of Desolation, in the days of the of the Maccabees, when Antiochus Epiphanes ordered an alter to Zeus be constructed in the God's Holy Temple, with sacrifices of swine and unclean animals, abolishing Sabbath practices and circumcision - what do you think they thought: "This is it!" A pagan sets up worship of a false god in God's Temple???!!! If people think today is blood-soaked and immoral, they truly don't know history. That's not to say we're not getting close - it's to say, we just don't know for sure, and we don't know what the details will include - but we WILL when God sees fit to reveal it.

Of course, now Israel is a nation again and Jews have flowed from across the world - back within much of their historic territory, using the same language, Jews praying to God at the Wall. The stage does seem close to set. Of COURSE it is possible that we are getting much closer. All I'm saying is that people who say they have the details of that don't know what they are talking about! Yep, they can reveal evil plottings and goings on. I'm just saying, they are not necessarily tied to what Scripture has revealed about the last days - other than, the world will get worse, more violent, people will not desire God. But, as there are key things we CAN'T presently know, I don't buy into every conspiracy theory that comes along. Of course, the devil is disrupting things and using people in power behind the scenes - and he long has done so.

[Philip]

Here is why end times speculation is currently fun but ultimately has no certainties as to the details of how it's going to go down - and it WILL, one day, go down.

http://drmsh.com/eschatology-discussion/

As for the Iluminati nonsense, of modern-day Nephilm, here, Biblical Scholar Dr. Heiser comments:

http://drmsh.com/an-imaginary-conversat ... -believer/

[thatkidakayoungguy]

As for the Iluminati nonsense, of modern-day Nephilm, here, Biblical Scholar Dr. Heiser comments:

http://drmsh.com/an-imaginary-conversat ... -believer/

I can see people being blinded to the Nephilim if they would arrive. Nephilim don't have to be giants either, just powerful men. We already see people being blinded, some say there's no evidence for the claims of the bible for instance when it clearly says otherwise and then we have people who don't think Jesus is the savior when given the evidence.

[abelcainsbrother]

As for the Iluminati nonsense, of modern-day Nephilm, here, Biblical Scholar Dr. Heiser comments:

http://drmsh.com/an-imaginary-conversat ... -believer/

I can see people being blinded to the Nephilim if they would arrive. Nephilim don't have to be giants either, just powerful men. We already see people being blinded, some say there's no evidence for the claims of the bible for instance when it clearly says otherwise and then we have people who don't think Jesus is the savior when given the evidence.

I could too.I can understand not accepting the Nephilim interpretation and I think it could be interesting to get into it and compare scripture with scripture to see who is right or wrong but I don't really see Heiser's point on why it would'nt work.It matters if the Nephilim interptetation is correct or not because if it is there will be Nephilim regardless of how much sense it makes.

[thatkidakayoungguy]

The antichrist and false prophet do seem like they would be Nephilim.

[Stu]

Stu: No that is just not true. There are many Christians that are in the dark about many things concerning the ends times. You have to make the effort to ask God.

Does God answer every thing we wish to know and WHEN we wish to? Are you saying some people have future knowledge of events that God hasn't revealed to His Church as a whole - DETAILS about end times, how it will go down, and when???

Stu: Here is a lady that was in the Illuminati and tells of their plans. It is information that can be used to protect oneself from the schemes of satan in the end times.

YOU nor anyone else has any idea of the details of how the end times will go down - beyond what Scripture has given us a basic sketch of. You have no idea that what someone says is true, authoritative, or that they have some future knowledge of world events - beyond what we've been told. As pivotal DETAILS are both contingent and not YET available.

Stu: Waste of time. What an absolutely ludicrous statement to make. If the USA knew the plans of the Japanese ahead of time they could've used that to great effect in their war against them. Same applies here.

The problem is, Stu, you DON'T know of what the end time event DETAILS will be, the timing, nor the exact identities of the individual players - no one does, YET. That's why books are sold and blogs are read - interesting, wildly speculative, but not authoritative. Now, does it make sense to pay attention to what we may find that various evil current entities might be planning? Sure. But such does not equate to the End Times script God perfectly knows will happen. BTW - while Believers can be prepared for that time, the events themselves will STILL go down. But NO one yet knows the details. So, obsessing over unkwowable future events - beyond being prepared for them SPIRITUALLY - IS a waste of time. Conspiracy theories - whether related to future Bible events or current politics - total waste of time!

Stu: Do you even believe we are in the end times?

MAYBE we are. Many things seem to indicate we've crossed some thresholds. However, my dad, when he was 21, saw much of the world at war, led by evil entities. At the center of it, was a man (Hitler) whose symbol was a broken cross. Who was Hitler obsessed with eradicating from the earth? The Jews! What do you think many thought, at the time: "This is it, we're HERE!" What do you think the Jews of the day, thought about the prophecies of Daniel, with the "Abomination of Desolation, in the days of the of the Maccabees, when Antiochus Epiphanes ordered an alter to Zeus be constructed in the God's Holy Temple, with sacrifices of swine and unclean animals, abolishing Sabbath practices and circumcision - what do you think they thought: "This is it!" A pagan sets up worship of a false god in God's Temple???!!! If people think today is blood-soaked and immoral, they truly don't know history. That's not to say we're not getting close - it's to say, we just don't know for sure, and we don't know what the details will include - but we WILL when God sees fit to reveal it.

Of course, now Israel is a nation again and Jews have flowed from across the world - back within much of their historic territory, using the same language, Jews praying to God at the Wall. The stage does seem close to set. Of COURSE it is possible that we are getting much closer. All I'm saying is that people who say they have the details of that don't know what they are talking about! Yep, they can reveal evil plottings and goings on. I'm just saying, they are not necessarily tied to what Scripture has revealed about the last days - other than, the world will get worse, more violent, people will not desire God. But, as there are key things we CAN'T presently know, I don't buy into every conspiracy theory that comes along. Of course, the devil is disrupting things and using people in power behind the scenes - and he long has done so.

Does God answer every thing we wish to know and WHEN we wish to? Are you saying some people have future knowledge of events that God hasn't revealed to His Church as a whole - DETAILS about end times, how it will go down, and when???

No he doesn't answer everything we wish to know.
Yes, some people have future knowledge of events that will go down. It's called prophecy.

YOU nor anyone else has any idea of the details of how the end times will go down - beyond what Scripture has given us a basic sketch of. You have no idea that what someone says is true, authoritative, or that they have some future knowledge of world events - beyond what we've been told. As pivotal DETAILS are both contingent and not YET available.

Wrong.
Yes, the Bible gives a pretty good explanation of what the end times will be like. But it doesn't give all the details.

Guess what, it will take people to put satan's plans into effect. Those people are either born into this group of people or are recruited into the fold.

Sometimes those people rebel though and come out of the group, such as the lady in the video. Through people like this we can know what satan has planned for the future. THAT is how e can know how the end times "will go down".

The problem is, Stu, you DON'T know of what the end time event DETAILS will be, the timing, nor the exact identities of the individual players - no one does, YET. That's why books are sold and blogs are read - interesting, wildly speculative, but not authoritative. Now, does it make sense to pay attention to what we may find that various evil current entities might be planning? Sure. But such does not equate to the End Times script God perfectly knows will happen. BTW - while Believers can be prepared for that time, the events themselves will STILL go down. But NO one yet knows the details. So, obsessing over unkwowable future events - beyond being prepared for them SPIRITUALLY - IS a waste of time. Conspiracy theories - whether related to future Bible events or current politics - total waste of time!

Wrong. The Bible details many end time events and how it will go down.
Conspiracy theories are far from a waste of time. They are borne out of insider knowledge, history, current events, political events, economic events and investigative research. Like this lady, she was an insider and revealed information not only about the group but what they had planned, and hence you can take action accordingly.

You can learn a lot from the NDAA and Executive Order 13603.

MAYBE we are. Many things seem to indicate we've crossed some thresholds. However, my dad, when he was 21, saw much of the world at war, led by evil entities. At the center of it, was a man (Hitler) whose symbol was a broken cross. Who was Hitler obsessed with eradicating from the earth? The Jews! What do you think many thought, at the time: "This is it, we're HERE!" What do you think the Jews of the day, thought about the prophecies of Daniel, with the "Abomination of Desolation, in the days of the of the Maccabees, when Antiochus Epiphanes ordered an alter to Zeus be constructed in the God's Holy Temple, with sacrifices of swine and unclean animals, abolishing Sabbath practices and circumcision - what do you think they thought: "This is it!" A pagan sets up worship of a false god in God's Temple???!!! If people think today is blood-soaked and immoral, they truly don't know history. That's not to say we're not getting close - it's to say, we just don't know for sure, and we don't know what the details will include - but we WILL when God sees fit to reveal it.

Of course, now Israel is a nation again and Jews have flowed from across the world - back within much of their historic territory, using the same language, Jews praying to God at the Wall. The stage does seem close to set. Of COURSE it is possible that we are getting much closer. All I'm saying is that people who say they have the details of that don't know what they are talking about! Yep, they can reveal evil plottings and goings on. I'm just saying, they are not necessarily tied to what Scripture has revealed about the last days - other than, the world will get worse, more violent, people will not desire God. But, as there are key things we CAN'T presently know, I don't buy into every conspiracy theory that comes along. Of course, the devil is disrupting things and using people in power behind the scenes - and he long has done so.

As you say we can learn things from the goings on of the plotters. Of course we won't know the hour or day that it is going to all unfold, but can know a few things like it will involve a massive economic collapse.

[Stu]

Here is why end times speculation is currently fun but ultimately has no certainties as to the details of how it's going to go down - and it WILL, one day, go down.

http://drmsh.com/eschatology-discussion/

As for the Iluminati nonsense, of modern-day Nephilm, here, Biblical Scholar Dr. Heiser comments:

http://drmsh.com/an-imaginary-conversat ... -believer/

Illuminati nonsense?! LOL You really are blinded. Who do you think is carrying out satan's plans for him?
And I suppose you consider George Washington to be a great man, right? Well he believed very much in the Illuminati, it is even in one of his letters found here:

http://consciouslifenews.com/library-co ... i/1122149/#

More warnings from leaders here:

http://consciouslifenews.com/verified-w ... e/1136001/

Edit: And don't get me wrong there are other groups who also seek to bring their plan to completion (like the Bilderberg group, etc.).

[RickD]

I used to believe in the illuminati, bilderbergers, and ufos.

Then I got help for my schizophrenia.

[thatkidakayoungguy]

The bible does indicate such a group exists or will exist in Revelation. so if there is an illuminati or something it wouldn't surprise me.