Were the Nephilim and the Sumerian mythical kings somehow related?

[SoCalExile]

it was consistent with other statements about "giants" ( like Goliath and Og).

Ironically neither are referred to as "nephilim"; that's actually a mark against your view. In fact, Og in Deu 3:11 is called a "giant" using the word rapha':
https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/le ... 7497&t=KJV
Another problem in this for your view.

[SoCalExile]

It's ONE possible interpretation Stu.
That is the point.
All of the neighbouring civilizations had stories of "giants" and so forth, of them being "quasi-divine".

Ironically, there are several flood stories throughout the ancient world, but you don't believe it was global, which BTW, is the traditional view...but that doesn't matter in this argument for some reason.

[SoCalExile]

Anyways, it's my bedtime. We can agree to disagree or we can continue this later.

[PaulSacramento]

it was consistent with other statements about "giants" ( like Goliath and Og).

Ironically neither are referred to as "nephilim"; that's actually a mark against your view. In fact, Og in Deu 3:11 is called a "giant" using the word rapha':
https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/le ... 7497&t=KJV
Another problem in this for your view.

And that word can even mean a dead ancestor in the underworld.
Not really relevant.

These are the clans supposedly descendent of the Nephilim or even called Nephilim in some translations:


the Anakites (Numbers 13:28-33)
the Emites (Deuteronomy 2:10)
the Amorites (Amos 2:9)[2]
the Rephaites (Joshua 12:4)

[PaulSacramento]

An example of how translations can vary:

https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Numbers%2013%3A33

KJ21 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, who come of the giants. And we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.”
ASV And there we saw the Nephilim, the sons of Anak, who come of the Nephilim: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.
AMP There we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak are part of the Nephilim); and we were like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight.”
AMPC There we saw the Nephilim [or giants], the sons of Anak, who come from the giants; and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.
BRG And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.
CSB We even saw the Nephilim there—the descendants of Anak come from the Nephilim! To ourselves we seemed like grasshoppers, and we must have seemed the same to them.”
CEB We saw there the Nephilim (the descendants of Anak come from the Nephilim). We saw ourselves as grasshoppers, and that’s how we appeared to them.”
CJB We saw the N’filim, the descendants of ‘Anak, who was from the N’filim; to ourselves we looked like grasshoppers by comparison, and we looked that way to them too!”
CEV In fact, we saw the Nephilim who are the ancestors of the Anakim. They were so big that we felt as small as grasshoppers.”
DARBY and there have we seen giants—the sons of Anak are of the giants—and we were in our sight as grasshoppers, and so we were also in their sight.
DRA And they spoke ill of the land, which they had viewed, before the children of Israel, saying: The land which we have viewed, devoureth its inhabitants: the people, that we beheld, are of a tall stature.
ERV We saw the giant Nephilim people there! (The descendants of Anak come from the Nephilim.) We felt like little grasshoppers. Yes, we were like grasshoppers to them!”
ESV And there we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak, who come from the Nephilim), and we seemed to ourselves like grasshoppers, and so we seemed to them.”
ESVUK And there we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak, who come from the Nephilim), and we seemed to ourselves like grasshoppers, and so we seemed to them.”
EXB We saw the Nephilim people there [C perhaps named for the pre-flood people mentioned in Gen. 6:4]. (The Anakites come from the Nephilim people.) We felt like grasshoppers, and we looked like grasshoppers to them.”
GNV So they brought up an evil report of the land which they had searched for the children of Israel, saying, The land which we have gone through to search it out, is a land that eateth up the inhabitants thereof: for all the people that we saw in it, are men of great stature.
GW We saw Nephilim there. (The descendants of Anak are Nephilim.) We felt as small as grasshoppers, and that’s how we must have looked to them.”
GNT and we even saw giants there, the descendants of Anak. We felt as small as grasshoppers, and that is how we must have looked to them.”
HCSB We even saw the Nephilim there—the descendants of Anak come from the Nephilim! To ourselves we seemed like grasshoppers, and we must have seemed the same to them.”
ICB We saw the Nephilim people there. (The Anakites come from the Nephilim people.) We felt like grasshoppers. And we looked like grasshoppers to them.”
ISV We also saw the Nephilim, the descendants of Anak. Compared to the Nephilim, as we see things, we’re like grasshoppers, and that’s their opinion of us!”
JUB And there we saw giants, the sons of Anak, of the race of the giants; and we were in our own sight as locusts, and so we were in their sight.
KJV And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.
AKJV And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.
LEB There we saw the Nephilim (the descendants of Anak came from the Nephilim), and we were like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their eyes.”
TLB and we saw some of the Anakim there, descendants of the ancient race of giants. We felt like grasshoppers before them, they were so tall!”
MSG But the others said, “We can’t attack those people; they’re way stronger than we are.” They spread scary rumors among the People of Israel. They said, “We scouted out the land from one end to the other—it’s a land that swallows people whole. Everybody we saw was huge. Why, we even saw the Nephilim giants (the Anak giants come from the Nephilim). Alongside them we felt like grasshoppers. And they looked down on us as if we were grasshoppers.”
MEV And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come from the giants, and in our eyes we were like grasshoppers, and so we were in their eyes.”
NOG We saw Nephilim there. (The descendants of Anak are Nephilim.) We felt as small as grasshoppers, and that’s how we must have looked to them.”
NABRE There we saw the Nephilim (the Anakim are from the Nephilim); in our own eyes we seemed like mere grasshoppers, and so we must have seemed to them.”
NASB There also we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak are part of the Nephilim); and we became like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight.”
NCV We saw the Nephilim people there. (The Anakites come from the Nephilim people.) We felt like grasshoppers, and we looked like grasshoppers to them.”
NET We even saw the Nephilim there (the descendants of Anak came from the Nephilim), and we seemed like grasshoppers both to ourselves and to them.”
NIRV We saw the Nephilim there. We seemed like grasshoppers in our own eyes. And that’s also how we seemed to them.” The family line of Anak came from the Nephilim.
NIV We saw the Nephilim there (the descendants of Anak come from the Nephilim). We seemed like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and we looked the same to them.”
NIVUK We saw the Nephilim there (the descendants of Anak come from the Nephilim). We seemed like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and we looked the same to them.’
NKJV There we saw the giants (the descendants of Anak came from the giants); and we were like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight.”
NLV We saw the Nephilim there. (The sons of Anak are part of the Nephilim.) We looked like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and we looked the same to them.”
NLT We even saw giants there, the descendants of Anak. Next to them we felt like grasshoppers, and that’s what they thought, too!”
NRSV There we saw the Nephilim (the Anakites come from the Nephilim); and to ourselves we seemed like grasshoppers, and so we seemed to them.”
NRSVA There we saw the Nephilim (the Anakites come from the Nephilim); and to ourselves we seemed like grasshoppers, and so we seemed to them.’
NRSVACE There we saw the Nephilim (the Anakites come from the Nephilim); and to ourselves we seemed like grasshoppers, and so we seemed to them.’
NRSVCE There we saw the Nephilim (the Anakites come from the Nephilim); and to ourselves we seemed like grasshoppers, and so we seemed to them.”
OJB And there we saw the Nephilim, the Bnei Anak, which come of the Nephilim; and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.
RSV And there we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak, who come from the Nephilim); and we seemed to ourselves like grasshoppers, and so we seemed to them.”
RSVCE And there we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak, who come from the Nephilim); and we seemed to ourselves like grasshoppers, and so we seemed to them.”
TLV We also saw there the Nephilim. (The sons of Anak are from the Nephilim.) We seemed like grasshoppers in our eyes as well as theirs!”
VOICE We saw the massive Anakites who descended from the ancient Nephilim! We look like grasshoppers compared to them, and they know it.
WEB There we saw the Nephilim, the sons of Anak, who come from the Nephilim. We were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.”
WYC there we saw some wonders against kind, of the sons of Anak, of the kind of giants, to which we were comparisoned, and were seen as locusts. (yea, we saw some wonders against kind there, the sons of Anak, who be giants, and compared to them, we felt as small as locusts, or like grasshoppers.)
YLT and there we saw the Nephilim, sons of Anak, of the Nephilim; and we are in our own eyes as grasshoppers; and so we were in their eyes.'

[SoCalExile]

it was consistent with other statements about "giants" ( like Goliath and Og).

Ironically neither are referred to as "nephilim"; that's actually a mark against your view. In fact, Og in Deu 3:11 is called a "giant" using the word rapha':
https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/le ... 7497&t=KJV
Another problem in this for your view.

And that word can even mean a dead ancestor in the underworld.
Not really relevant.

These are the clans supposedly descendent of the Nephilim or even called Nephilim in some translations:


the Anakites (Numbers 13:28-33)
the Emites (Deuteronomy 2:10)
the Amorites (Amos 2:9)[2]
the Rephaites (Joshua 12:4)

Only one of which uses the word nephilim.

And didn't you read the link? No where in there is this word used in the way you claim in that reference.

I do know Heiser has some other kooky theory on this word. The man likes to see it in books it actually doesn't appear in (specifically Ezekiel).

ETA: note I said his theory is kooky. Even though from what I've seen the man likes to play intellectual-sleight-of-hand in order to sell himself to people who look for the spectacular rather than read their bibles.

The guy is even on YouTube telling people that not everything in the Bible is about Jesus when Jesus said everything is about Jesus (John 5:39). But I digress.

[SoCalExile]

An example of how translations can vary:

https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Numbers%2013%3A33

KJ21 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, who come of the giants. And we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.”
ASV And there we saw the Nephilim, the sons of Anak, who come of the Nephilim: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.
AMP There we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak are part of the Nephilim); and we were like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight.”
AMPC There we saw the Nephilim [or giants], the sons of Anak, who come from the giants; and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.
BRG And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.
CSB We even saw the Nephilim there—the descendants of Anak come from the Nephilim! To ourselves we seemed like grasshoppers, and we must have seemed the same to them.”
CEB We saw there the Nephilim (the descendants of Anak come from the Nephilim). We saw ourselves as grasshoppers, and that’s how we appeared to them.”
CJB We saw the N’filim, the descendants of ‘Anak, who was from the N’filim; to ourselves we looked like grasshoppers by comparison, and we looked that way to them too!”
CEV In fact, we saw the Nephilim who are the ancestors of the Anakim. They were so big that we felt as small as grasshoppers.”
DARBY and there have we seen giants—the sons of Anak are of the giants—and we were in our sight as grasshoppers, and so we were also in their sight.
DRA And they spoke ill of the land, which they had viewed, before the children of Israel, saying: The land which we have viewed, devoureth its inhabitants: the people, that we beheld, are of a tall stature.
ERV We saw the giant Nephilim people there! (The descendants of Anak come from the Nephilim.) We felt like little grasshoppers. Yes, we were like grasshoppers to them!”
ESV And there we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak, who come from the Nephilim), and we seemed to ourselves like grasshoppers, and so we seemed to them.”
ESVUK And there we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak, who come from the Nephilim), and we seemed to ourselves like grasshoppers, and so we seemed to them.”
EXB We saw the Nephilim people there [C perhaps named for the pre-flood people mentioned in Gen. 6:4]. (The Anakites come from the Nephilim people.) We felt like grasshoppers, and we looked like grasshoppers to them.”
GNV So they brought up an evil report of the land which they had searched for the children of Israel, saying, The land which we have gone through to search it out, is a land that eateth up the inhabitants thereof: for all the people that we saw in it, are men of great stature.
GW We saw Nephilim there. (The descendants of Anak are Nephilim.) We felt as small as grasshoppers, and that’s how we must have looked to them.”
GNT and we even saw giants there, the descendants of Anak. We felt as small as grasshoppers, and that is how we must have looked to them.”
HCSB We even saw the Nephilim there—the descendants of Anak come from the Nephilim! To ourselves we seemed like grasshoppers, and we must have seemed the same to them.”
ICB We saw the Nephilim people there. (The Anakites come from the Nephilim people.) We felt like grasshoppers. And we looked like grasshoppers to them.”
ISV We also saw the Nephilim, the descendants of Anak. Compared to the Nephilim, as we see things, we’re like grasshoppers, and that’s their opinion of us!”
JUB And there we saw giants, the sons of Anak, of the race of the giants; and we were in our own sight as locusts, and so we were in their sight.
KJV And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.
AKJV And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.
LEB There we saw the Nephilim (the descendants of Anak came from the Nephilim), and we were like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their eyes.”
TLB and we saw some of the Anakim there, descendants of the ancient race of giants. We felt like grasshoppers before them, they were so tall!”
MSG But the others said, “We can’t attack those people; they’re way stronger than we are.” They spread scary rumors among the People of Israel. They said, “We scouted out the land from one end to the other—it’s a land that swallows people whole. Everybody we saw was huge. Why, we even saw the Nephilim giants (the Anak giants come from the Nephilim). Alongside them we felt like grasshoppers. And they looked down on us as if we were grasshoppers.”
MEV And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come from the giants, and in our eyes we were like grasshoppers, and so we were in their eyes.”
NOG We saw Nephilim there. (The descendants of Anak are Nephilim.) We felt as small as grasshoppers, and that’s how we must have looked to them.”
NABRE There we saw the Nephilim (the Anakim are from the Nephilim); in our own eyes we seemed like mere grasshoppers, and so we must have seemed to them.”
NASB There also we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak are part of the Nephilim); and we became like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight.”
NCV We saw the Nephilim people there. (The Anakites come from the Nephilim people.) We felt like grasshoppers, and we looked like grasshoppers to them.”
NET We even saw the Nephilim there (the descendants of Anak came from the Nephilim), and we seemed like grasshoppers both to ourselves and to them.”
NIRV We saw the Nephilim there. We seemed like grasshoppers in our own eyes. And that’s also how we seemed to them.” The family line of Anak came from the Nephilim.
NIV We saw the Nephilim there (the descendants of Anak come from the Nephilim). We seemed like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and we looked the same to them.”
NIVUK We saw the Nephilim there (the descendants of Anak come from the Nephilim). We seemed like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and we looked the same to them.’
NKJV There we saw the giants (the descendants of Anak came from the giants); and we were like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight.”
NLV We saw the Nephilim there. (The sons of Anak are part of the Nephilim.) We looked like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and we looked the same to them.”
NLT We even saw giants there, the descendants of Anak. Next to them we felt like grasshoppers, and that’s what they thought, too!”
NRSV There we saw the Nephilim (the Anakites come from the Nephilim); and to ourselves we seemed like grasshoppers, and so we seemed to them.”
NRSVA There we saw the Nephilim (the Anakites come from the Nephilim); and to ourselves we seemed like grasshoppers, and so we seemed to them.’
NRSVACE There we saw the Nephilim (the Anakites come from the Nephilim); and to ourselves we seemed like grasshoppers, and so we seemed to them.’
NRSVCE There we saw the Nephilim (the Anakites come from the Nephilim); and to ourselves we seemed like grasshoppers, and so we seemed to them.”
OJB And there we saw the Nephilim, the Bnei Anak, which come of the Nephilim; and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.
RSV And there we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak, who come from the Nephilim); and we seemed to ourselves like grasshoppers, and so we seemed to them.”
RSVCE And there we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak, who come from the Nephilim); and we seemed to ourselves like grasshoppers, and so we seemed to them.”
TLV We also saw there the Nephilim. (The sons of Anak are from the Nephilim.) We seemed like grasshoppers in our eyes as well as theirs!”
VOICE We saw the massive Anakites who descended from the ancient Nephilim! We look like grasshoppers compared to them, and they know it.
WEB There we saw the Nephilim, the sons of Anak, who come from the Nephilim. We were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.”
WYC there we saw some wonders against kind, of the sons of Anak, of the kind of giants, to which we were comparisoned, and were seen as locusts. (yea, we saw some wonders against kind there, the sons of Anak, who be giants, and compared to them, we felt as small as locusts, or like grasshoppers.)
YLT and there we saw the Nephilim, sons of Anak, of the Nephilim; and we are in our own eyes as grasshoppers; and so we were in their eyes.'

The funny part about you hammering on this is that you haven't yet explained how these angel-hybrids somehow escaped God's wrath. You're taking one little word in two verses and trying to justify a doctrine on it, based on presuppositions.

[SoCalExile]

The other interesting thing for me is how those who hold to the angel-hybrid theory ignore the idea of angel hybrids in their eschatology as it relates to "the days of Noah". All of a sudden the warning relates to DNA manipulation via science and not horny angels. It's one more mark against the view imo.

I used to hold to the A-H view because I thought it was cool and mysterious, then I actually looked into it for myself.

Anyways, I'm off for a bit.

[PaulSacramento]

The funny part about you hammering on this is that you haven't yet explained how these angel-hybrids somehow escaped God's wrath

.

At least this part, we can agree is interesting.
I assume by God's wrath you mean the flood, yes?

Even in Genesis 6 is states:
4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them.

We have here that the Nephilim being around afterwards.

Now, in Genesis 6, we have a lot of interesting things here, not just that the Nephilim came back but that God passed judgment on all EXCEPT Noah and his family.
This is interesting because IF the sons of god meant the Seth lineage, as some claim, then they were either not ALL righteous or almost all of them, except Noah and his family, became wicked.

We can assume that one of two things happened, since we know they existed after the flood.
Some survived ( I don't think so)
The same thing happened again.

The bible does not say.
I don't know.
I have read a few views but the reality is the bible doesn't address this.

Now, how does one explain the explicit statement that there were nephilim AFTER the flood, and giants ( if one doesn't equate the two) when the only surviors were Noah and His family?
Does it mean that Noah's descendants became corrupt?
Yes, of course ( one view states that it was via Ham, who was cursed).

[SoCalExile]

The funny part about you hammering on this is that you haven't yet explained how these angel-hybrids somehow escaped God's wrath

.

At least this part, we can agree is interesting.
I assume by God's wrath you mean the flood, yes?

Even in Genesis 6 is states:
4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them.

We have here that the Nephilim being around afterwards.

Now, in Genesis 6, we have a lot of interesting things here, not just that the Nephilim came back but that God passed judgment on all EXCEPT Noah and his family.
This is interesting because IF the sons of god meant the Seth lineage, as some claim, then they were either not ALL righteous or almost all of them, except Noah and his family, became wicked.

We can assume that one of two things happened, since we know they existed after the flood.
Some survived ( I don't think so)
The same thing happened again.

The bible does not say.
I don't know.
I have read a few views but the reality is the bible doesn't address this.

Now, how does one explain the explicit statement that there were nephilim AFTER the flood, and giants ( if one doesn't equate the two) when the only surviors were Noah and His family?
Does it mean that Noah's descendants became corrupt?
Yes, of course ( one view states that it was via Ham, who was cursed).

LOL:

Genesis 7:

21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of *every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man: 22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died. 23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.


How many strikes does this make?

[PaulSacramento]

*face palm*

[PaulSacramento]

You need to stop dude, seriously.
You aren't grasping even the basic view of this argument, at all.

[PaulSacramento]

Stu, at least with you I can have discussion.

As you can see by the various translations, Nephilim can be translated as "giants" or "fallen one" or " to fall".
That the earliest translation, the Septugaint, translated it giants should mean something ( though not everything).
That the giant clans were associated with the nephilim are clear.
The various views as to who the sons of god were simply shows that the passage has some theological and doctrinal baggage that has been added to it ( no such baggage existed prior to the fall of the second temple).
There are theories about why the change came to be ( a quick google can help you read up on that).

Suffice to say that ALL interpretations have issues they have to address.

[DBowling]

Might as well jump in here, since I have discussed this elsewhere.

The only reason the change the meaning of sons of god to something else is to avoid the supernatural element and one should ask themselves WHY they have an issue with the supernatural in the bible.

The term "son of God" or "sons of God" is most often used in Scripture to refer to God's people.

I do happen to like Heiser, so let me quote Heiser

Adam is therefore the son of God (cp. Luke 3:38) — just like Israel will be called the son of God (Exod 4:23) — just like the king of Israel is called the the son of God (Psalm 2:7) — just like Jesus, the messianic king/servant, is the son of God, so that those who believe in him can be called the sons/children of God (John 1:12; Rom 8:14, 19; Gal 3:26; 1 John 3:1-3).

It is actually Heiser's note regarding Luke's reference to Adam as the "son of God" that led me to the conclusion that the "sons of God" mentioned in Genesis 6 are the descendents of Adam who Luke describes as "the son of God".

If you look at Genesis 6:1-4 in that light then this passage becomes additional Scriptural support for the existence of humans outside the line of Adam.
"sons of God" refers to the descendents of the line of Adam
"daughters of men" refers to the indigenous human population

The main presupposition here is that the phrase "sons of God" means the same thing in Genesis 6 that it means elsewhere in Scripture.

[PaulSacramento]

Might as well jump in here, since I have discussed this elsewhere.

The only reason the change the meaning of sons of god to something else is to avoid the supernatural element and one should ask themselves WHY they have an issue with the supernatural in the bible.

The term "son of God" or "sons of God" is most often used in Scripture to refer to God's people.

I do happen to like Heiser, so let me quote Heiser

Adam is therefore the son of God (cp. Luke 3:38) — just like Israel will be called the son of God (Exod 4:23) — just like the king of Israel is called the the son of God (Psalm 2:7) — just like Jesus, the messianic king/servant, is the son of God, so that those who believe in him can be called the sons/children of God (John 1:12; Rom 8:14, 19; Gal 3:26; 1 John 3:1-3).

It is actually Heiser's note regarding Luke's reference to Adam as the "son of God" that led me to the conclusion that the "sons of God" mentioned in Genesis 6 are the descendents of Adam who Luke describes as "the son of God".

If you look at Genesis 6:1-4 in that light then this passage becomes additional Scriptural support for the existence of humans outside the line of Adam.
"sons of God" refers to the descendents of the line of Adam
"daughters of men" refers to the indigenous human population

The main presupposition here is that the phrase "sons of God" means the same thing in Genesis 6 that it means elsewhere in Scripture.

You are reading the NT and other passages BACK into Genesis, which isn't standard practice.
Not saying you are wrong mind you, but you know what I mean.
Yet, we must address ALL the other passages in which sons of god means divine beings and why here, in its natural reading, it means otherwise.