No Adam and Eve were not saved knowone could be saved until Jesus died on the cross.
Hebrews 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Was Adam and Eve saved?
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RickD
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Re: Was Adam and Eve saved?
No one could be saved until Jesus died on the cross?jpbg33 wrote:No Adam and Eve were not saved knowone could be saved until Jesus died on the cross.
Hebrews 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Wasn't Abraham saved by faith?
Genesis 15:6
And the thief on the cross was saved before Jesus died.
Salvation has always come by Grace through faith.
John 5:24
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
Re: Was Adam and Eve saved?
I will put it this way. if he was saved then why did he not go to heaven when he died but instead to Abraham's busm?
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Re: Was Adam and Eve saved?
Because Christ had not yet ascended.jpbg33 wrote:I will put it this way. if he was saved then why did he not go to heaven when he died but instead to Abraham's busm?
John 5:24
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
Re: Was Adam and Eve saved?
Why would Chist ascending have anything to do with him going to heaven if he was already saved?
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Re: Was Adam and Eve saved?
Nevermind. Keep it simple. Scripture says they were in the lord's presence when they died, so I'll leave it at that.jpbg33 wrote:Why would Chist ascending have anything to do with him going to heaven if he was already saved?
John 5:24
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
Re: Was Adam and Eve saved?
Jesus died before thiefs did. Remember they came to brake His legs but he was already dead
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Re: Was Adam and Eve saved?
And Jesus said to him, "Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise."jpbg33 wrote:Jesus died before thiefs did. Remember they came to brake His legs but he was already dead
So...
John 5:24
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
Re: Was Adam and Eve saved?
Jesus was dead for 3 day so the thief and Jesus would have been there together even though Jesus died first. Jesus didn't say you shall enter into paradise with me but He said today ye shall be with me in paradise. Same day entering at different times.
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Re: Was Adam and Eve saved?
And your point is?jpbg33 wrote:Jesus was dead for 3 day so the thief and Jesus would have been there together even though Jesus died first. Jesus didn't say you shall enter into paradise with me but He said today ye shall be with me in paradise. Same day entering at different times.
John 5:24
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
Re: Was Adam and Eve saved?
My point is the their wasn't saved until Jesus died either.
Re: Was Adam and Eve saved?
My point is he wasn't saved either until Jesus died on the cross
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Re: Was Adam and Eve saved?
Jesus body was dead and buried but His Spirit/soul was not in the grave.
Note that He went and preached to the imprisoned spirits.
Note that He went and preached to the imprisoned spirits.
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Re: Was Adam and Eve saved?
Dean Braxton, via his NDE to Heaven, says Adam and Eve are in Heaven.
If the truth hurts, maybe it should.
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Re: Was Adam and Eve saved?
As a person who has put my faith in Jesus Christ, all three of these statements are true:jpbg33 wrote:I will put it this way. if he was saved then why did he not go to heaven when he died but instead to Abraham's busm?
I am saved
- When I put my faith in Jesus Christ I passed from death into life and my final eternal destiny was determined
I am being saved
- As I live my life with Jesus, the Holy Spirit works in my life to conform my character to that of Jesus Christ
I will be saved
- In the future I will gain a new resurrection body and spend eternity with Jesus in the New Heaven/New Earth
So even though I am not currently dwelling with Jesus in the New Heaven/New Earth, it is accurate to say that I am currently saved because I have put my faith in Jesus and that is my eventual eternal destiny.
The same is true for Abraham and all of the OT saints. When they put their faith in God they were 'saved', just like we are 'saved' when we put our faith in Jesus (who is God). When Abraham put his faith in God his eternal destiny was determined, just like our eternal destiny is determined when we put our faith in Jesus.