The meaning of immaterial life
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The meaning of immaterial life
One aspect that keeps popping up is that according to some in a materialistic universe life has little or no meaning, or is useless. That in such a universe there cannot be love or empathy, for those are immaterial aspects of life. And since immaterial does not exist in a materialistic universe, love cannot exist.
But I wonder, isn't life in a Materialistic Universe so much more precious than in a theistic (God created) universe? Since in a materialistic universe there is no redemption, nor a soul or spirit that keeps on 'living', one has to do it with only this fleeting moment. Everyone has one chance to live his or her live. Take away that chance and that particular life is lost. No second chance.
Realizing that volatility makes each life intensely important and worth while to cherish and carress, more so than the partly immortal 'life' of the theistic universe.
But I wonder, isn't life in a Materialistic Universe so much more precious than in a theistic (God created) universe? Since in a materialistic universe there is no redemption, nor a soul or spirit that keeps on 'living', one has to do it with only this fleeting moment. Everyone has one chance to live his or her live. Take away that chance and that particular life is lost. No second chance.
Realizing that volatility makes each life intensely important and worth while to cherish and carress, more so than the partly immortal 'life' of the theistic universe.
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Re: The meaning of immaterial life
I don't think it is a case of a materialist life has no meaning or no love, I think it is a case that IF YOU believe that life is just here by ONLY random chance and has no purpose other than existing that it can be hard to find real meaning and true love UNLESS you are exposed/brought up to believe in those things IN SPITE of a materialistic world view.Justhuman wrote:One aspect that keeps popping up is that according to some in a materialistic universe life has little or no meaning, or is useless. That in such a universe there cannot be love or empathy, for those are immaterial aspects of life. And since immaterial does not exist in a materialistic universe, love cannot exist.
But I wonder, isn't life in a Materialistic Universe so much more precious than in a theistic (God created) universe? Since in a materialistic universe there is no redemption, nor a soul or spirit that keeps on 'living', one has to do it with only this fleeting moment. Everyone has one chance to live his or her live. Take away that chance and that particular life is lost. No second chance.
Realizing that volatility makes each life intensely important and worth while to cherish and carress, more so than the partly immortal 'life' of the theistic universe.
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Re: The meaning of immaterial life
That's a lot of IF, ONLY, UNLESS. and SPITE.PaulSacramento wrote:I don't think it is a case of a materialist life has no meaning or no love, I think it is a case that IF YOU believe that life is just here by ONLY random chance and has no purpose other than existing that it can be hard to find real meaning and true love UNLESS you are exposed/brought up to believe in those things IN SPITE of a materialistic world view.Justhuman wrote:One aspect that keeps popping up is that according to some in a materialistic universe life has little or no meaning, or is useless. That in such a universe there cannot be love or empathy, for those are immaterial aspects of life. And since immaterial does not exist in a materialistic universe, love cannot exist.
But I wonder, isn't life in a Materialistic Universe so much more precious than in a theistic (God created) universe? Since in a materialistic universe there is no redemption, nor a soul or spirit that keeps on 'living', one has to do it with only this fleeting moment. Everyone has one chance to live his or her live. Take away that chance and that particular life is lost. No second chance.
Realizing that volatility makes each life intensely important and worth while to cherish and carress, more so than the partly immortal 'life' of the theistic universe.
With that kind of phrasing you are creating a VERY narrow margin for a SPECIFIC type of materialism belief. With such phrasing one can rule out most, if not any kind, of argumentation.
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Re: The meaning of immaterial life
What is "meaning", and by that I mean an "ultimate meaning"? What properties does ultimate meaning have? Once one understands and/or agrees about what ultimate meaning is, then whether particular worldviews have it can be more easily discussed.
I will say here, that it is largely agreed so far as I'm aware and read philosophically speaking, that there is no real ultimate meaning to be had for us if when God is removed from the picture, if their is no telos (i.e., end goal for us), if we all will die, if noone will be around to remember.
I will say here, that it is largely agreed so far as I'm aware and read philosophically speaking, that there is no real ultimate meaning to be had for us if when God is removed from the picture, if their is no telos (i.e., end goal for us), if we all will die, if noone will be around to remember.
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Re: The meaning of immaterial life
You can keep telling yourself that if you think it'll help.Justhuman wrote:One aspect that keeps popping up is that according to some in a materialistic universe life has little or no meaning, or is useless. That in such a universe there cannot be love or empathy, for those are immaterial aspects of life. And since immaterial does not exist in a materialistic universe, love cannot exist.
But I wonder, isn't life in a Materialistic Universe so much more precious than in a theistic (God created) universe? Since in a materialistic universe there is no redemption, nor a soul or spirit that keeps on 'living', one has to do it with only this fleeting moment. Everyone has one chance to live his or her live. Take away that chance and that particular life is lost. No second chance.
Realizing that volatility makes each life intensely important and worth while to cherish and carress, more so than the partly immortal 'life' of the theistic universe.
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Re: The meaning of immaterial life
I try to understand you.
Are you saying that in materialistic universe, there would be love? Because life is sacred?
Would someone even die for someone else (greatest love shown) in such a world?
Why? Isn't the life of the one, who is going to sacrify his life, sacred?
What is love in materialistic world? What it is?
Are you saying that in materialistic universe, there would be love? Because life is sacred?
Would someone even die for someone else (greatest love shown) in such a world?
Why? Isn't the life of the one, who is going to sacrify his life, sacred?
What is love in materialistic world? What it is?
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Re: The meaning of immaterial life
I know this wasn’t directed to me, but I will give my $0.02 worth.1over137 wrote:I try to understand you.
Of course! Humans are material, and humans express love.1over137 wrote:Are you saying that in materialistic universe, there would be love?
Yes.1over137 wrote:Because life is sacred?
People have a long history of giving up their lives for others1over137 wrote:Would someone even die for someone else (greatest love shown) in such a world?
It doesn’t mean that their life isn’t sacred, it just means they chose to give their life to save another1over137 wrote:Why? Isn't the life of the one, who is going to sacrify his life, sacred?
Love is pretty much the same whether one believes in a materialistic world or one believes in a world beyond materialism.1over137 wrote:What is love in materialistic world? What it is?
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Re: The meaning of immaterial life
What is the justification for life being sacred in a materialistic world view?
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In our world. Prove it is materialistic.Kenny wrote:People have a long history of giving up their lives for others
But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.
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For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.
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Re: The meaning of immaterial life
People will have their own reasons for labeling something sacred; it will usually vary from person to person.PaulSacramento wrote:What is the justification for life being sacred in a materialistic world view?
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I cannot prove to your satisfaction. But hypothetically speaking; what is to prevent a person living in a materialist world from giving up their life from someone else?1over137 wrote:In our world. Prove it is materialistic.Kenny wrote:People have a long history of giving up their lives for others
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Nothing. What is love? I'm not sure something so qualitatively immaterial can be answered in a Materialist world.Kenny wrote:I cannot prove to your satisfaction. But hypothetically speaking; what is to prevent a person living in a materialist world from giving up their life from someone else?1over137 wrote:In our world. Prove it is materialistic.Kenny wrote:People have a long history of giving up their lives for others
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As long as there are people living in this "Materialist world" there will be answers.Kurieuo wrote:Nothing. What is love? I'm not sure something so qualitatively immaterial can be answered in a Materialist world.Kenny wrote:I cannot prove to your satisfaction. But hypothetically speaking; what is to prevent a person living in a materialist world from giving up their life from someone else?1over137 wrote:In our world. Prove it is materialistic.Kenny wrote:People have a long history of giving up their lives for others
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And what are people; what is a "person"? Oh, you mean those physical beings with consciousness who have a will, intentionality, can love and what-not. Sorry, I know that is probably lost on you and only amusing to myself.Kenny wrote:As long as there are people living in this "Materialist world" there will be answers.Kurieuo wrote:Nothing. What is love? I'm not sure something so qualitatively immaterial can be answered in a Materialist world.Kenny wrote:I cannot prove to your satisfaction. But hypothetically speaking; what is to prevent a person living in a materialist world from giving up their life from someone else?1over137 wrote:In our world. Prove it is materialistic.Kenny wrote:People have a long history of giving up their lives for others
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Re: The meaning of immaterial life
Kenny wrote:As long as there are people living in this "Materialist world" there will be answers.Kurieuo wrote:Nothing. What is love? I'm not sure something so qualitatively immaterial can be answered in a Materialist world.Kenny wrote:I cannot prove to your satisfaction. But hypothetically speaking; what is to prevent a person living in a materialist world from giving up their life from someone else?1over137 wrote:
In our world. Prove it is materialistic.
People are material beings who rule Earth.Kurieuo wrote:And what are people;
Singular for people.Kurieuo wrote:what is a "person"?
Yes.Kurieuo wrote:Oh, you mean those physical beings with consciousness who have a will, intentionality, can love and what-not.
Amusing to myself as wellKurieuo wrote:Sorry, I know that is probably lost on you and only amusing to myself.
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