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Ark~Magic wrote:Again there is limited evidence that these things happen like in the brain due to the fact that animals have limited consciousness. If these things were true, we'd see things like:
<li> Animals creating actual cities, towns, etc.
<li> Animals pursuing goals beyond basic survival tactics
<li> Animals worshipping God
<li> Animals creating REAL art
<li> Animals getting married
<li> Animals having birthdays
<li> Animals commemorating the dead
<li> Animals praying
<li> Animals dying for faith
<li> Animals commited to a religion
<li> Animals believing in God
<li> Animals living by moral codes
<li> Animals commiting deliberate suicide
<li> Animals pursuing understanding of creation and life
<li> Animals creating peace treaties
Need I go on? I might add some more later.
Animals can experience submission and depression but whether or not they really experience jealousy or guilt simultaneously is difficult to say because of their level of awareness/conciousness and moral understanding. And if these things exist then why don't they show more of these other kinds of emotions?
He brought up abstract thought.
I have little basis for it but I think that animals live by moral codes, agree on peace and such and make real art.
Moral codes- yes, but they have been proven to be based off survival needs, not abstract concepts like right and wrong. I've seen it in documentaries on chimps.
Peace- an ideal for them, but again, based on survival needs and preferences for position. They do not agree to it just for the sake of it being "a good thing".
Guilt is an emotional response to disappointing others. They don't feel guilt when no one's around to tell them they should or be disappointed in them. They only feel guilt when they disappoint others. Emotional.