zacchaeus wrote:I want to play too... Guess whose back lol
Let me ask every believer that is a Christian which part of the following were you partakers in:
Christ crucifixion?
Christ death?
Christ burial?
Christ resurrection?
1 or 2, some or a few, or ALL??
If you put an apostrophe s on Christ, then count me in.
John 5:24 24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
Indeed we are sin free. We're simply awaiting our bodies of death, which are in the flesh, to perish so we can be resurrected more fully into our eternal bodies in Christ which are of the spirit. So then, we who have come to Christ are partakers in all those things you mention now, and more fully when our physical bodies perish and we are resurrected into new life with Christ.
"Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved." (Romans 10:13)
I'm not sure what you're driving at. Anyone who supports a works-based Christianity, like jpbg appeared to, then they need to be taken to the logical conclusion of their theology. That's what my previous posts to him were about before he just up and left the discussion.
"Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved." (Romans 10:13)
Maybe I've misunderstood... But ive read this thread a couple of times. What are you equating in this convo to be works-based christianity (is this the same as work-based salvation) to you?
zacchaeus wrote:Maybe I've misunderstood... But ive read this thread a couple of times. What are you equating in this convo to be works-based christianity (is this the same as work-based salvation) to you?
Just reread jpbg33's posts. He's proposing a works-based salvation, while claiming he isn't. He won't take his beliefs to their logical conclusion.
Edit:
Sorry zacchaeus,
My mistake. It wasn't in this thread. Jpbg was promoting a works based salvation in other threads.
John 5:24 24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
zacchaeus wrote:None the less if that their stance i dont nor can i see living a sinless life (not us of course) and a works based salvation coinciding.
Romans chapters 6-8 explain pretty well.
John 5:24 24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
Im super familiar with Romans... And i love it. But im not connecting any dots nor drawing any pictures?
And what i see scripture propose isnt something we do to be sinless but its a state or position we stand in when we are in Christ and become one with Him in covenant and communion and are actually partakers of and with Him and He imparts 'His' righteousness unto us.
zacchaeus wrote:Im super familiar with Romans... And i love it. But im not connecting any dots nor drawing any pictures?
And what i see scripture propose isnt something we do to be sinless but its a state or position we stand in when we are in Christ and become one with Him in covenant and communion and are actually partakers of and with Him and He imparts 'His' righteousness unto us.
You hit the nail on the head!
John 5:24 24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
Someone has pointed out that even a born-again believer will end up sinning Until they are with Jesus Christ in eternity. Before that time -- we aren't Slaves to sin as believers. We Do have the Holy Spirit indwelling us as believers to help us Not to give in to temptation. But satan is still very much in this world to make temptation look / sound Really good and attractive.
We Do have the power to say No , but we Also have our human nature to work with. And we Should have the desire to please God in everything. The desire Is there, but so is our human nature.
