The inspiration and inerrancy of scripture is absolute. What is contested is the interpretation.PaulSacramento wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 8:29 amTo what degree and exactly what it means that the HS inspired the writers of the various books, poems, songs and letters that make up the bible, is hotly contested.mrtzur2015 wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 8:14 am The Holy Spirit inspired the whole bible. Just like the prophets it’s all God I’m the doing. The body is just used for the mouth or hands in this case.
How come Jesus never wrote anything down?
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Re: How come Jesus never wrote anything down?
Not for the Old Testament - as Jesus confirmed it as Scripture. Of course, WHAT books were to be considered as part of the Canon was also God-inspired. But these works also include statements by evil people - record as history - that God wanted included. Was Judas betrayal of Christ inspired by God? Course not. But it's included as God wanted it in. So, there is a difference between what writings God inspired and wanted in the canon of the testaments and in whatever statements various people made that were also included.To what degree and exactly what it means that the HS inspired the writers of the various books, poems, songs and letters that make up the bible, is hotly contested.
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Re: How come Jesus never wrote anything down?
Not to some people. Someone here said that scripture says something, but it probably didn't happen that way.Byblos wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 9:59 amThe inspiration and inerrancy of scripture is absolute. What is contested is the interpretation.PaulSacramento wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 8:29 amTo what degree and exactly what it means that the HS inspired the writers of the various books, poems, songs and letters that make up the bible, is hotly contested.mrtzur2015 wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 8:14 am The Holy Spirit inspired the whole bible. Just like the prophets it’s all God I’m the doing. The body is just used for the mouth or hands in this case.
Personally, I'm not sure how one can hold to scripture, yet not its inerrancy.
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Re: How come Jesus never wrote anything down?
First of all he’s the Holy Spirit not HS. putting his name (one of them) in abbreviation like that is contempt.PaulSacramento wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 8:29 amTo what degree and exactly what it means that the HS inspired the writers of the various books, poems, songs and letters that make up the bible, is hotly contested.mrtzur2015 wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 8:14 am The Holy Spirit inspired the whole bible. Just like the prophets it’s all God I’m the doing. The body is just used for the mouth or hands in this case.
Contested or not. We can’t believe something that is men made. It’s either God inspired the Bible or there is no salvation for no one.
Simple.
Other than that no one could of ever write down something like the Bible with all the deepness the Bible has. No matter how talented or creative they are. Bible is either truth (God inspired). Or it’s a complete none sense and therefore there is no salvation at all.
Whether or not the gifts are possible today or not Is also debated yet I have witnessed things myself. Know of people that been healed. And been baptized in the Holy Spirit myself. Same for my wife .
I know what’s true, it’s up to you to decide now .
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Re: How come Jesus never wrote anything down?
It is inspired by God because God made sure it’s in the Bible. His decision to betray is not God inspired.. but the writings are.. it is important because a prophecy was given about his betrayal.mPhilip wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 10:22 amNot for the Old Testament - as Jesus confirmed it as Scripture. Of course, WHAT books were to be considered as part of the Canon was also God-inspired. But these works also include statements by evil people - record as history - that God wanted included. Was Judas betrayal of Christ inspired by God? Course not. But it's included as God wanted it in. So, there is a difference between what writings God inspired and wanted in the canon of the testaments and in whatever statements various people made that were also included.To what degree and exactly what it means that the HS inspired the writers of the various books, poems, songs and letters that make up the bible, is hotly contested.
Also I have said about white luquid or water coming out of his body as they Stubbed his body to check if he’s dead. No one knew the implication of that. But the Holy Spirit made sure it is part of the scriptures because it indeed proves his death. If he didn’t die there is no salvation to no one once again.
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Second of all, He is God, not he with a small h.mrtzur2015 wrote:
First of all he’s the Holy Spirit not HS.
Show some respect for the G-d you serve!
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...a polytheist in our midst!
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I’m rejoicing right now..BavarianWheels wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 12:51 pm...a polytheist in our midst!
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That you took that as "persecution" is hilarious.mrtzur2015 wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 1:08 pmI’m rejoicing right now..BavarianWheels wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 12:51 pm...a polytheist in our midst!
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Wow! That is all it took.mrtzur2015 wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 1:08 pmI’m rejoicing right now..BavarianWheels wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 12:51 pm...a polytheist in our midst!
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I could only turn and stare in horror at the chief surgeon.
Death by starvation is a terrible thing, Goodsir, continued Stanley.
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Re: How come Jesus never wrote anything down?
Did you see how the world went totally mental over the shroud of Turin?
Why give them any relics?
I'm so glad God never gave the world a scrap of Jesus' writings.
Why give them any relics?
I'm so glad God never gave the world a scrap of Jesus' writings.
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If you think that's persecution, you'll really feel persecuted if you keep insulting people for simple abbreviations.mrtzur2015 wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 1:08 pmI’m rejoicing right now..BavarianWheels wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 12:51 pm...a polytheist in our midst!
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John 15:20 King James Version (KJV)
20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
John 5:24
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
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24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
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Re: How come Jesus never wrote anything down?
Well I’m sorry my belief is that God has a name and no one can be ones friend without calling on their names.RickD wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 7:31 pmIf you think that's persecution, you'll really feel persecuted if you keep insulting people for simple abbreviations.mrtzur2015 wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 1:08 pmI’m rejoicing right now..BavarianWheels wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 12:51 pm...a polytheist in our midst!
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John 15:20 King James Version (KJV)
20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
You wouldn’t want anyone calling you rd or poop. Would you?
And AFAIK prosecution includes trying to discredit someone.
He had no real proof before calling me polytheist which I am not btw. God is one God in three persons. It’s well established in the Old Testament. imo he just said it because she’s upset I doubted his shabath doctorine. Which the Bible clearly states
Colossians 2:16 King James Version (KJV)
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days
Regardless I think we are off topic.
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Re: How come Jesus never wrote anything down?
Well, I'll put it this way...mrtzur2015 wrote:
Well I’m sorry my belief is that God has a name and no one can be ones friend without calling on their names.
You wouldn’t want anyone calling you rd or poop. Would you?
If someone called me poop or rd, and I knew him as well as God knows PaulSacramento, then I'd know his heart, which means I'd know he meant no disrespect by abbreviating Holy Spirit.
Do you really think God is that petty, that He feels disrespected over something like that?
Seriously?
John 5:24
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony