DBowling wrote: ↑Mon Jun 04, 2018 7:24 pm
BavarianWheels wrote: ↑Mon Jun 04, 2018 8:50 am
So again, show me wherein the 10 exists the "covenant"? You're the one making the claim.
Actually Moses makes the claim... but here we go...
Exodus 19-24 describes the covenant that YHWH made with his covenant people Israel at Sinai. And the 10 Commandments in Exodus 20:1-17 are part of the covenant that God establishes with Israel.
Here is how the stage is set in Exodus 19:3-6
3 Moses went up to God, and the Lord called to him from the mountain, saying, “Thus you shall say to the house of Jacob and tell the sons of Israel: 4 ‘You yourselves have seen what I did to the Egyptians, and how I bore you on eagles’ wings, and brought you to Myself. 5 Now then, if you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant, then you shall be My own possession among all the peoples, for all the earth is Mine; 6 and you shall be to Me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words that you shall speak to the sons of Israel.
We see two important things in Exodus 19
1. In Exodus 19:5 God explicitly refers to the contents of Exodus 19-24 as a "covenant".
2. In Exodus 19:3 God tells us that the covenant is with "the sons of Israel"
After Moses receives the commands in Exodus 20-23 from YHWH, the narrative continues in Exodus 24
Exodus 24:3-7
3 Then Moses came and recounted to the people all the words of the Lord and all the ordinances; and all the people answered with one voice and said, “All the words which the Lord has spoken we will do!” 4 Moses wrote down all the words of the Lord. Then he arose early in the morning, and built an altar at the foot of the mountain with twelve pillars for the twelve tribes of Israel. 5 He sent young men of the sons of Israel, and they offered burnt offerings and sacrificed young bulls as peace offerings to the Lord. 6 Moses took half of the blood and put it in basins, and the other half of the blood he sprinkled on the altar. 7 Then he took the book of the covenant and read it in the hearing of the people; and they said, “All that the Lord has spoken we will do, and we will be obedient!” 8 So Moses took the blood and sprinkled it on the people, and said, “Behold the blood of the covenant, which the Lord has made with you in accordance with all these words.”
When he returns to the people, Moses writes down the commands that he received from God in Exodus 20-23 (which includes the 10 Commandments in Exodus 20).
Then he takes the "book of the covenant" which he had written down and reads it to the people.
The people of Israel agree to obey God's commands, and Moses ratifies the covenant between YWHW and the people of Israel by sprinkling the people with "the blood of the covenant".
So Exodus 19-24 explicitly states that the 10 Commandments are part of a Covenant that YHWH established between himself and his covenant people Israel.
Uh...no. Moses didn't need to, nor did he rewrite the 10 commandments as they were already written in stone.
What he wrote down were the laws of the ceremonial covenant.
The 10 are not a covenant in the same manner as the 10 are NOT a shadow of Messiah or Blood. They are clearly separate by the very act that these were written in stone...by God and the rest were written by Moses on parchment.
The 10 are a declaration of God on 1. How to worship/honor/love God and 2. How to love/honor your neighbor. There exists no blood in the 10. There is no mention or allusion to a Messiah to save His people from sin.
The 10 are a measure of SIN and that measure of SIN does not end. Sin will always be sin and therefore to do anything against the 10 is to sin. God cannot, being Judge, throw away the law that points at sin and I know you don't/can't think Him to have done so otherwise we'd be discussing how you think it's ok to murder and I'd be promoting that murder is STILL wrong/sinful. No difference with the Sabbath.
This is all backed up with scripture, one text being Romans 3:20,21 where there are clearly two laws at work. The law that makes us aware of sin and the law that ATTESTS to God's righteousness. While the 10 do attest to God's righteousness as the 10 cannot point at sin in God, it is the ceremonial law that actually attests to God's righteousness that is GIVEN through faith. God can't give righteousness through faith in the 10...they impart no righteousness to the sinner. In fact they accuse the sinner.
Tell me; if I have faith in the 10 commandments, do they offer me salvation? No. I'm sure you agree. But if I have faith in the law that attests to God's righteousness and this righteousness is given through faith...which law is it that we have faith in? We already know it's not the 10, so it must be the law(s) that point to Christ as Messiah, the Lamb, where God promises to wipe away sin. If sin were wiped away by removing what points at sin, there would be no need for God to die!
I will acknowledge that the 10 are a covenant, but not the old or new covenant Christ speaks of in Luke 22:20 and Matthew 26:28
The 10 is an everlasting Testimony. See Exodus 25:16 , Exodus 31:18 , Exodus 34:29 , Exodus 40:20
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