Have we crossed the line yet?

[abelcainsbrother]

Treason
https://www.google.com/search?q=treason ... e&ie=UTF-8

Sedition
https://www.google.com/search?client=ta ... yy84Hp8dis

[edwardmurphy]

Dear Stu,

I don't ever recall defending Antifa. Perhaps from your position of extreme tribalism you think that any criticism of Donald Trump, the Alt-right, White nationalists, or whoever includes an implicit endorsement of Antifa, Maxine Waters, and the government of Venezuela. That's not the case. Donald Trump sucks and so does Antifa. Both are doing damage to our democracy, and I wish they'd shut up and go away.

So what do you hope to accomplish by cherry picking examples of people on the left behaving badly while ignoring examples of equally heinous behavior from people on the right? Do you think that that's an honest and sincere approach to debating our political differences?

Dear B.W.,

Your version of cultural Marxism is a vapid conspiracy theory. I don't expect you to realize that, having spent so much time so far down the Rabbit Hole, but I encourage anyone who's not already cracked beyond repair to take a few minutes to look at what cultural Marxism actually meant to the intellectuals who coined the phrase all those years ago. Basically their concern was that television, pop culture, restaurant chains, and the like were making us stupid robots, stripped of our individuality and our ability to think critically. If you think that the United States was a better place before Kim Kardashian, Wal*Mart, and Sixteen and Pregnant airing on the Learning Channel then you side with the real cultural Marxists, whether you know it or not. You're clutching your pearls over less than nothing, as usual.

And that right there is your problem, B.W. You live in your own little world, and you protect it by surrounding yourself with lies. Your notion that Obamacare is the first step on the slippery slope to the US becoming Venezuela is a lie that you've accepted, made your own, and now disseminate proudly. The idea that liberals hate America and want to see our country collapse into a Third World hellhole is another of your lies. You've never heard a liberal say that, and I sure as [poop] don't feel that way, yet you consistently claim otherwise. You either heard that from some other lunatic, or you made it up yourself. Either way, it's an evil, destructive, bold-faced lie. The claim that socialism, communism, and fascism are all the same thing is another lie, as is the claim that Americans who favor the kinds of social programs that we see working in Europe want to turn the US into the Soviet Union. You're buried so deep in fear, lies, conspiracy theories, and empty slogans that you have no idea what actual liberals really believe about anything. Not that it matters, mind you, because in your mind we're the enemy, so anything you say about us, no matter how insulting, dishonest, or harmful, is completely justified.

And now we come to the place where you say that I'm wrong, and then prove your point by producing a few examples of liberals acting like lunatics and/or a-holes* and claiming that they prove that we're all like that. That's another lie, B.W. This is a nation of 300+ million people, of whom more than half the adults identify as moderates, progressives, and liberals. Claiming that a video of some Antifa clown proves that we're all violent, or that a silly, unrealistic statement from some 19-year-old feminist proves that we're all deluded is stupid and pointless, unless your only goal is to smear the folks from the other tribe. If that's the case then what you're saying is that we - a broad and varied group comprising more than half the country - are the enemy because we don't agree with everything that you believe.

I don't claim to know a whole lot about Christianity, but I'm pretty sure that Jesus wasn't an angry, fearful tribalist who believed that anyone who didn't see things precisely the way he did was an enemy, worthy of nothing but slander, lies, and contempt. Seems like you lost your way. Maybe you ought to pray on it.

Dear Abe,



That above diagram illustrates the Dunning-Kreuger effect. It sums up just about everything that I've heard from you over the last 3 years. I really don't care what you find pathetic, because frankly your understanding of civics, history, politics, economics, and science barely surpasses that of my three-year-old and I doubt you have the capacity for further growth.

Sincerely, Ed




* The swear filter includes the singular word "*******" but not the plural. Just so you know.

[abelcainsbrother]

Dear Stu,

I don't ever recall defending Antifa. Perhaps from your position of extreme tribalism you think that any criticism of Donald Trump, the Alt-right, White nationalists, or whoever includes an implicit endorsement of Antifa, Maxine Waters, and the government of Venezuela. That's not the case. Donald Trump sucks and so does Antifa. Both are doing damage to our democracy, and I wish they'd shut up and go away.

So what do you hope to accomplish by cherry picking examples of people on the left behaving badly while ignoring examples of equally heinous behavior from people on the right? Do you think that that's an honest and sincere approach to debating our political differences?

Dear B.W.,

Your version of cultural Marxism is a vapid conspiracy theory. I don't expect you to realize that, having spent so much time so far down the Rabbit Hole, but I encourage anyone who's not already cracked beyond repair to take a few minutes to look at what cultural Marxism actually meant to the intellectuals who coined the phrase all those years ago. Basically their concern was that television, pop culture, restaurant chains, and the like were making us stupid robots, stripped of our individuality and our ability to think critically. If you think that the United States was a better place before Kim Kardashian, Wal*Mart, and Sixteen and Pregnant airing on the Learning Channel then you side with the real cultural Marxists, whether you know it or not. You're clutching your pearls over less than nothing, as usual.

And that right there is your problem, B.W. You live in your own little world, and you protect it by surrounding yourself with lies. Your notion that Obamacare is the first step on the slippery slope to the US becoming Venezuela is a lie that you've accepted, made your own, and now disseminate proudly. The idea that liberals hate America and want to see our country collapse into a Third World hellhole is another of your lies. You've never heard a liberal say that, and I sure as [poop] don't feel that way, yet you consistently claim otherwise. You either heard that from some other lunatic, or you made it up yourself. Either way, it's an evil, destructive, bold-faced lie. The claim that socialism, communism, and fascism are all the same thing is another lie, as is the claim that Americans who favor the kinds of social programs that we see working in Europe want to turn the US into the Soviet Union. You're buried so deep in fear, lies, conspiracy theories, and empty slogans that you have no idea what actual liberals really believe about anything. Not that it matters, mind you, because in your mind we're the enemy, so anything you say about us, no matter how insulting, dishonest, or harmful, is completely justified.

And now we come to the place where you say that I'm wrong, and then prove your point by producing a few examples of liberals acting like lunatics and/or a-holes* and claiming that they prove that we're all like that. That's another lie, B.W. This is a nation of 300+ million people, of whom more than half the adults identify as moderates, progressives, and liberals. Claiming that a video of some Antifa clown proves that we're all violent, or that a silly, unrealistic statement from some 19-year-old feminist proves that we're all deluded is stupid and pointless, unless your only goal is to smear the folks from the other tribe. If that's the case then what you're saying is that we - a broad and varied group comprising more than half the country - are the enemy because we don't agree with everything that you believe.

I don't claim to know a whole lot about Christianity, but I'm pretty sure that Jesus wasn't an angry, fearful tribalist who believed that anyone who didn't see things precisely the way he did was an enemy, worthy of nothing but slander, lies, and contempt. Seems like you lost your way. Maybe you ought to pray on it.

Dear Abe,



That above diagram illustrates the Dunning-Kreuger effect. It sums up just about everything that I've heard from you over the last 3 years. I really don't care what you find pathetic, because frankly your understanding of civics, history, politics, economics, and science barely surpasses that of my three-year-old and I doubt you have the capacity for further growth.

Sincerely, Ed




* The swear filter includes the singular word "*******" but not the plural. Just so you know.

You're going to be shocked when reality hits you and you realize that liberalism you love is the reason America is in the shape its in and it has been rejected by the American people.You liberals got everything you wanted politically for the last 60 years atleast and all it did was run America into the ground. The people have woken up but you're too blind to see the writing on the wall. As a matter of fact America is fed up with both parties both the Republicans and Democrats. You're dreaming if you think we will go back to that old out dated lesser than two evil parties political game that was played on all of us. Sure is funny because I've been more right than you have by a long shot over them 3 years. And wait until you see people being tried for treason too. It is coming,but you're too blind to see,stuck in the old way.Treason is a real crime and those who usurped the US Constitution are going to learn a lesson in law and order.

[thatkidakayoungguy]

Go independent/3rd party, people. We need more of them.
I for one am tired of seeing so much political crap from both big parties, and from both ends of the spectrum. I wish the national news was less on "bad news sells", and while there are programs like segments of the Today show that often focus on good things, this is getting a bit much.

[edwardmurphy]

Abe, you've been right exactly once the entire time I've known you. Or of you. Whatever. A busted clock is right twice a day. But maybe I'm underestimating you. Go ahead and prove me wrong.

Maybe first you could explain exactly what kind of shape we're in and how, specifically, did the liberals got us here. Remember, specific is the opposite of vague. Specific means providing details, statistics, and the like. Maybe even citing your sources. Being specific requires you to put in some effort. You up to the task?

Also, I gotta ask who's getting tried for treason this time. And whatever happened to all of those imminent pedophilia busts? Remember? The Feds were going to swoop in and nail all of Trump's enemies because - AMAZING COINCIDENCE - they were all perverts?




* Yes, I'm aware that it's a real crime. Are you just discovering that?

[Stu]

Dear Stu,

I don't ever recall defending Antifa. Perhaps from your position of extreme tribalism you think that any criticism of Donald Trump, the Alt-right, White nationalists, or whoever includes an implicit endorsement of Antifa, Maxine Waters, and the government of Venezuela. That's not the case. Donald Trump sucks and so does Antifa. Both are doing damage to our democracy, and I wish they'd shut up and go away.

So what do you hope to accomplish by cherry picking examples of people on the left behaving badly while ignoring examples of equally heinous behavior from people on the right? Do you think that that's an honest and sincere approach to debating our political differences?

Yeah you do seem to be a more level-headed fella than some of your leftist counterparts, but it seems many are supporting what that bully done to that kid (so calling it cherry picking might be premature) - you know freedom of speech and all that.

LIBERALS RALLY TO DEFEND MAN WHO ASSAULTED MAGA HAT-WEARING TEEN

[edwardmurphy]

Good grief, Stu...

First off, wearing a MAGA hat in this political climate is just as much a provocation as wearing an Impeach Trump shirt, especially if it's 2 in the morning and you're at a fast food joint full of drunks. The goal of either article of clothing is to make a statement in support of your clan. I'm not saying that it excuses the other guy's behavior - he was way out of line and will probably face much deserved legal consequences - but let's not pretend that liberal tears aren't a factor when folks strap on their MAGA gear.

As far as liberals rallying, give me a break. The implication in the title of the story was that liberals have organized in this guy's defense. In reality a few people tweeted that the kid had it coming. So what? The Internet is open to billions of people, and Trump is one of the most polarizing figures in the history of politics. He routinely and deliberately says things that are extremely offensive to over half the nation and a good chunk of the globe. He makes a lot of people angry, and sometimes they vent that anger with snarky Tweets. Not that big a deal.

Beyond that, so what if liberals actually did rally in the guy's defense? A while back the owner of a pizza shop said - completely out of the blue and in response to no one - that he didn't do gay weddings. He then set up a Go Fund Me account for his nonexistent legal defense and raked in $775 thousand dollars. Remember, he was never asked to do a gay wedding, and as the owner of a pizza shop it's very unlikely that he ever would have been asked. Yet thirty thousand people were so worried that he might be asked that they sent him nearly three quarters of a million dollars in less than 48 hours. Go figure...

The fact is we I live in a country that is extremely politically polarized. It's so polarized that you're picking sides in the fight and you're not even American. In such a polarized environment it's easy to find examples of tribal behavior, especially if you're actively looking for them. The reality, though, is that aggressive Trump supporters in [love] Your Feelings tee-shirts and hat-stealing liberal drunks are the exception, not the rule. If you try to understand liberals by reading what Alex Jones, Rush Limbaugh, and FOX News have to say about them you're going to get a skewed picture. You're better off just talking to them and listening to what they have to say.

[abelcainsbrother]

Abe, you've been right exactly once the entire time I've known you. Or of you. Whatever. A busted clock is right twice a day. But maybe I'm underestimating you. Go ahead and prove me wrong.

Maybe first you could explain exactly what kind of shape we're in and how, specifically, did the liberals got us here. Remember, specific is the opposite of vague. Specific means providing details, statistics, and the like. Maybe even citing your sources. Being specific requires you to put in some effort. You up to the task?

Also, I gotta ask who's getting tried for treason this time. And whatever happened to all of those imminent pedophilia busts? Remember? The Feds were going to swoop in and nail all of Trump's enemies because - AMAZING COINCIDENCE - they were all perverts?




* Yes, I'm aware that it's a real crime. Are you just discovering that?

Sorry Ed,but I've tried before to give you information and you disregard it.But if you cannot see how liberalism ran America into the ground then you are just blind.The American people know and that is what matters most. Oh yeah the pedophile stuff is still coming also and it has already started if you're informed. However,there are alot of corrupt people in DC like judges and political figures that have been and are being replaced so that justice can be carried out. Because the judges that are corrupt would just let the bad guys off and it takes time to remove them.the corruption in DC is vast and is in every element of government and it has had to be replaced so that justic for pedophilia,treason,etc can be prosecuted. You're not informed if you rely on the typical liberal media that I know you used to rely on because they refuse to report about it. So you're just not informed relying on them.

[abelcainsbrother]

Go independent/3rd party, people. We need more of them.
I for one am tired of seeing so much political crap from both big parties, and from both ends of the spectrum. I wish the national news was less on "bad news sells", and while there are programs like segments of the Today show that often focus on good things, this is getting a bit much.

I agree with you.However the way we are doing this is in a different way.This is because we already tried it the third party way and it did not work.Also you remember the tea party and how they were stabbed in the back by the republicans and it did not work that way either. So the American people are doing this a different way. This political revolution the left is obvlivious to started long ago in the tea party days and this time we will not fail thanks to Trump and the patriots in our government that are fed up with the treason and are going to bring these people to justice and in the future politicians will think twice about usurping the US Constitution pushing a global government agenda and putting it first over America and the American people. You can see that even still these peple are still trying to usurp the US Constitution committing both treason and sedition while thinking they are above the law. For example,this whole illegal immigration idea is
a global one world government agenda and it is to flood the country with illegal immigrants to destroy the culture of America and it is treason and yet you have the people in government still pushing for it committing real treason while thinking they are above the law.It is real treason right out in the open everybody to see and it is exposed for all to see for now and more and more people are seeing it an are appalled at those pushing for it.It is like a light being shined into darkness to expose the traitors. This is the first step.They are not above the law and will find out about law and order. The days of ignoring the US Constitution will be over when they are done.

[edwardmurphy]

The only information you've given me to date was some conspiracy theorist's YouTube page. If that's the best you've got then yeah, you might as well not bother.

[B. W.]

Dear Stu,

I don't ever recall defending Antifa. Perhaps from your position of extreme tribalism you think that any criticism of Donald Trump, the Alt-right, White nationalists, or whoever includes an implicit endorsement of Antifa, Maxine Waters, and the government of Venezuela. That's not the case. Donald Trump sucks and so does Antifa. Both are doing damage to our democracy, and I wish they'd shut up and go away.

So what do you hope to accomplish by cherry picking examples of people on the left behaving badly while ignoring examples of equally heinous behavior from people on the right? Do you think that that's an honest and sincere approach to debating our political differences?

Yeah you do seem to be a more level-headed fella than some of your leftist counterparts, but it seems many are supporting what that bully done to that kid (so calling it cherry picking might be premature) - you know freedom of speech and all that.

LIBERALS RALLY TO DEFEND MAN WHO ASSAULTED MAGA HAT-WEARING TEEN

Here is the latest... interesting clip and article

NYT Claims conservatives weaponized free speech

When Conservatives exercise free speech - it becomes a crime, how amazing!!!

According to a front page New York Times news (not opinion) article by Adam Liptak “Weaponizing the First Amendment: How Free Speech Became a Conservative Cudgel,” we must adopt a stance of skepticism toward all this talk of free speech: if we wish to be sophisticated and sensitive, as all good Times readers aspire to be. Free speech? So passé. Only conservatives care about free speech anymore.

Quoted from:

https://quillette.com/2018/07/04/the-ne ... ee-speech/

Here is article from the NYT quoted parts of it below

As a result, liberals who once championed expansive First Amendment rights are now uneasy about them.

“The left was once not just on board but leading in supporting the broadest First Amendment protections,” said Floyd Abrams, a prominent First Amendment lawyer and a supporter of broad free-speech rights. “Now the progressive community is at least skeptical and sometimes distraught at the level of First Amendment protection which is being afforded in cases brought by litigants on the right.”

Many on the left have traded an absolutist commitment to free speech for one sensitive to the harms it can inflict.

Take pornography and street protests. Liberals were once largely united in fighting to protect sexually explicit materials from government censorship. Now many on the left see pornography as an assault on women’s rights.

In 1977, many liberals supported the right of the American Nazi Party to march among Holocaust survivors in Skokie, Ill. Far fewer supported the free-speech rights of the white nationalists who marched last year in Charlottesville, Va.

There was a certain naïveté in how liberals used to approach free speech, said Frederick Schauer, a law professor at the University of Virginia.

“Because so many free-speech claims of the 1950s and 1960s involved anti-obscenity claims, or civil rights and anti-Vietnam War protests, it was easy for the left to sympathize with the speakers or believe that speech in general was harmless,” he said. “But the claim that speech was harmless or causally inert was never true, even if it has taken recent events to convince the left of that. The question, then, is why the left ever believed otherwise.”

Some liberals now say that free speech disproportionately protects the powerful and the status quo.

“When I was younger, I had more of the standard liberal view of civil liberties,” said Louis Michael Seidman, a law professor at Georgetown. “And I’ve gradually changed my mind about it. What I have come to see is that it’s a mistake to think of free speech as an effective means to accomplish a more just society.”

To the contrary, free speech reinforces and amplifies injustice, Catharine A. MacKinnon, a law professor at the University of Michigan, wrote in “The Free Speech Century,” a collection of essays to be published this year.

“Once a defense of the powerless, the First Amendment over the last hundred years has mainly become a weapon of the powerful,” she wrote. “Legally, what was, toward the beginning of the 20th century, a shield for radicals, artists and activists, socialists and pacifists, the excluded and the dispossessed, has become a sword for authoritarians, racists and misogynists, Nazis and Klansmen, pornographers and corporations buying elections.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/30/us/p ... court.html

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[B. W.]

Stu,

Ed does not like free speech... unless it is only liberals who are allowed free speech.

You forget they are on a religious moral superior crusade against the greatest evil known to man - Christianity... and any who oppose them

Friday July 6 'Cornel West' was interviewed on Tucker Carlson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuc6C2_Txmw



West explained the need for reeducation of the right, to correct their error of thinking - yes, re-education camps. That has never went well.

Socialism fails not because of the powerful but rather because the powerful are socialist themselves endowed with the affliction of Human sin nature they deny exist.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video ... ation.html
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[Stu]

Yeah it's actually very sad to see this happening in modern day America. That they actually want to tread on, or oppose, freedom of speech is just mind-blowing to me. Can't fathom it. But then I'm a libertarian.

So it's freedom of speech, as long as it coincides with my views. Such a dangerous precedent they are setting.

[edwardmurphy]

Here is the latest... interesting clip and article

When Conservatives exercise free speech - it becomes a crime, how amazing!!!

And there you go, taking the words that were written and insisting that they mean something other than what they said. Nobody said that exercising free speech as a conservative was a crime, or anything similar. That's just you lying.

What the article said, essentially, was that the powerful have taken to using the First Amendment as a tool of oppression. For the ultimate example look at the Citizens United case, which basically said that massive, wealthy corporations have the First Amendment right to spend unlimited quantities of money on political advertising.

Think about that for a second. Look at what it's done to the Republican Party. The GOP party line is now whatever the Koch brothers and the NRA says it is. Any GOP politician who steps out of line gets hammered by an extremely well-financed challenge from the right, complete with attack ads, robocalls, and a social media campaign. Last I looked something like 90% of Americans approved of universal background checks for gun purchases, and have for years, yet we still don't have them in place. Who's opposed? Ten percent of voters and the NRA. Some democracy...

Beyond that, that article brought up a lot of interesting points, all of which are open to debate and discussion. Debate and discussion are key components of a healthy democracy. Yet you, and those like you, don't want to debate or discuss anything. You want to attack and shut the other side down, using lies, misrepresentations, and slander if need be. You don't give a damn about free speech or the Constitution or even the teachings of Jesus Christ. You just want to beat the liberals, always, no matter what, even if you have to go against your own interests to do so. You're ruled by hate, paranoia, and fear.

I pity you, B.W.

[abelcainsbrother]

The only information you've given me to date was some conspiracy theorist's YouTube page. If that's the best you've got then yeah, you might as well not bother.

Yes,you just chock it up to conspiracy theories eventhough I've been more right than you have.And some of the stuff I said is still yet to be fulfilled but it will be. For instance,even before the election before Donald Trump won I explained about good guys in our government and bad guys and how the good guys are tired of the treason.Imagine working side by side with somebody that is committing treason breaking the law and yyet nothing is done about it.Well the good guys in our government have everything they need to bust these scumbags in our government and bring them to justice.This is happening and nthing has changed but it just has not been fully realized yet.But it will be. You see the corruption in DC is so vast that they have had to remove these people and it takes time to do this. And now you see all kinds of resignations of CEO's,government officials and politicians that are no longer going to run for office,etc.The swamp is being drained. This is proof.

But yeah,you chock it up to conspiracy theories because the MSM does not report on it or twists it out of context if they do,or does not tell the whole truth about it,etc. So you're not informed. You are propagandized and don't even realize it.