Have we crossed the line yet?

[RickD]

Melanie wrote:
As a vegan...

And

Now

It's

All

Starting

To

Make

Sense











Words to live by:

Never trust anyone who is anti-bacon!

[melanie]

Haha words to live by.....
Never
Trust
An
Industry
That
Tortures
And
Profits
From
Cruelty!!
Anyone with a grain of conscious would not support factory farming. It’s the anti thesis of Christianity

[RickD]

Haha words to live by.....
Never
Trust
An
Industry
That
Tortures
And
Profits
From
Cruelty!!
Anyone with a grain of conscious would not support factory farming. It’s the anti thesis of Christianity

Lemme get this straight...

You want us to believe that eating animals is anti Christian?

Now I'm starting to see what you mean about a mental health epidemic.

[melanie]

Actually no, I don’t believe that eating anything equates to being Christian or moral. That’s not my argument at all.
I believe that the industry which is not how animals were previously farmed for generations, is now governed by mass production where greed is now more important than ethics.
Animals are commodities in an industry where mass farming are subjecting animals to conditions which are abhorrent. The leaked footage from abbitoirs from around the globe are sickening and savage.
That is not okay.
I believe from a Christian perspective that we were never meant nor designed to treat animals in this fashion.
Bacon or not.
Have you seen how sows are caged and bred? In industrial sheds, never seeing the light of day nor given any freedom of movement. It’s cruel.
I really like bacon but my taste buds are irrelevant to an industry that cages and exploits any creature.

[RickD]

Melanie wrote:
I really like bacon...

Thank God! There may be hope for you yet!

I was beginning to think you were past the point of no return!

But seriously Mel, do you have this same outcry for the way millions of innocent human babies are butchered in the womb every year? Or is it just animals that you think are treated inhumanely?

[melanie]

Melanie wrote:
I really like bacon...

ZS
Thank God! There may be hope for you yet!

I was beginning to think you were past the point of no return!

But seriously Mel, do you have this same outcry for the way millions of innocent human babies are butchered in the womb every year? Or is it just animals that you think are treated inhumanely?

Seriously I am very committed to the ethical treatment of animals. I just wanted to point that out. With your statement of seriously Mel...
Like it’s not serious enough to be committed to be kind to animals.
I also am in kind committed to the ethical treatment of humans, unborns of course.
I support as such an industry or in this case a society that supports mothers. Unskilled mothers, single mothers and every mum. Socially and within the workforce. Every economy is dependent on growth and skilled growth. You don’t grow a national economy on marginalising wowen.
I don’t agree with abortion because I believe when you give women the support structure to raise a child then they will choose life. But I will never choose to prosecute a women because that is unfair use of law

[RickD]

Melanie wrote:
I really like bacon...

ZS
Thank God! There may be hope for you yet!

I was beginning to think you were past the point of no return!

But seriously Mel, do you have this same outcry for the way millions of innocent human babies are butchered in the womb every year? Or is it just animals that you think are treated inhumanely?

Seriously I am very committed to the ethical treatment of animals. I just wanted to point that out. With your statement of seriously Mel...
Like it’s not serious enough to be committed to be kind to animals.
I also am in kind committed to the ethical treatment of humans, unborns of course.
I support as such an industry or in this case a society that supports mothers. Unskilled mothers, single mothers and every mum. Socially and within the workforce. Every economy is dependent on growth and skilled growth. You don’t grow a national economy on marginalising wowen.
I don’t agree with abortion because I believe when you give women the support structure to raise a child then they will choose life. But I will never choose to prosecute a women because that is unfair use of law

Sorry, when I said "seriously" I meant I was asking a serious question. In other words, I wasn't joking. Not that your commitment to ethical treatment of animals bred for food, isn't serious. I wasn't making light of your commitment to animals.

[melanie]

Melanie wrote:
I really like bacon...

ZS
Thank God! There may be hope for you yet!

I was beginning to think you were past the point of no return!

But seriously Mel, do you have this same outcry for the way millions of innocent human babies are butchered in the womb every year? Or is it just animals that you think are treated inhumanely?

Seriously I am very committed to the ethical treatment of animals. I just wanted to point that out. With your statement of seriously Mel...
Like it’s not serious enough to be committed to be kind to animals.
I also am in kind committed to the ethical treatment of humans, unborns of course.
I support as such an industry or in this case a society that supports mothers. Unskilled mothers, single mothers and every mum. Socially and within the workforce. Every economy is dependent on growth and skilled growth. You don’t grow a national economy on marginalising wowen.
I don’t agree with abortion because I believe when you give women the support structure to raise a child then they will choose life. But I will never choose to prosecute a women because that is unfair use of law

Sorry, when I said "seriously" I meant I was asking a serious question. In other words, I wasn't joking. Not that your commitment to ethical treatment of animals bred for food, isn't serious. I wasn't making light of your commitment to animals.

Oh thanks for pointing that out Rick

[edwardmurphy]

Mel, that was me. I included PETA because they're one of the usual suspects when a right-wing pundit wants to make liberals look silly or irrational. They're not typically violent, but they do have a tendency to claim that animals should be accorded the same legal rights as humans and/or chuck red paint on old ladies in furs. That plays into the right wing narrative that liberals are silly children tantruming because they want an unobtainable Utopian fantasy world. Antifa is the card they play when they want to portray liberals as violent opponents of free speech. So no, PETA and Antifa aren't the same, but for right wing pundits looking to draw an ugly picture of "the left" they're both crayons in the same box.

Paul, plenty of liberals have condemned Antifa, just like plenty of Muslims have condemned violence perpetrated in the name of Allah. The problem is that right-wing pundits aren't sincere. No amount of condemnation will ever be enough.

Beyond that, why is condemning left-fringe crackpots our responsibility anyway? Antifa has nothing to do with the Democratic Party or the average liberal, and the claim that it's otherwise is another of those Orwellian right-wing lies. If we're expected to condemn them the implication is that we're somehow responsible for their behavior, just because we happen to share a few opinions about political and economic issues. That's [nonsense]. They have no connection to mainstream liberals, nor do they even claim to. Fringe groups like Antifa don't support the Democrats, and they sure as hell didn't support Hillary Clinton. They're communists and/or anarchists. They want to burn it all down and start over. That's not the typical liberal position.

With regard to conservatives, I'm honestly not sure that they even matter anymore. The GOP is being driven by Trump's nationalist populism. The Republican Party's traditionally strong support for the free market, free trade, and globalism, and their strong ties to NATO and distrust of Russia have just about vanished. The GOP is now the party of Trump, not the party of conservatives. That's why prominent conservatives like George Will, Jennifer Rubin, and Steve Schmidt have left the party.

So sure, maybe there's still a clear line between American conservatives, such as Mr. Bowling here on the forums, and White nationalists. But the line between the average Republican Trump supporter and the radical right isn't nearly that clear, and that's the line that really matters.

[melanie]

Its interesting because here in Australia we have Antifa thrown around a lot but there’s no relevance to this country.
I spent some time researching and yes googling lol, to understand that narrative. I want to be informed. I don’t want to be misrepresented.
My consensus was it has no relevance to our political landscape. We have the greens but they are slightly left leaning but mainstream.
There has been no violent protests ever committed by a left leaning faction.
We have seen reclaim Australia rally’s with skin heads, swatikas on their jackets marching alongside grandmas and kids. You guys had your own marches with hoods and torches.
In 2018 that’s not okay.
It’s never okay.
If someone marched down my street with klan hoods and/or that agenda they would be met with resistance. I would actively and if necessary aggressively stand against that.
By aggressively I mean, not on my watch. I would meet that evil head on and not stand for it.
The only active presence I’ve seen in this country is the dangerous right. I’m not saying that a far left doesn’t exist but their narrative is small, to me non existent. It’s the far right that scares me.

[Stu]

The left are getting more and more unhinged.

DISGUSTING: MASKED LEFTISTS FLING FECES AT PRO-TRUMP CAFÉ

And what the vandals never bothered to find out is that the shop owner actually EMPLOYS IMMIGRANTS, but that probably doesn't matter to them anyway.

‘America Was Never Great’: Maxine Waters Supporters Burn American Flag Outside Her Office

That's right burn the American flag, that proves just how idiotic you are.

And last but not least, this is quite sad actually. Another Democrat that has decided to #walkaway And she is not alone there are many that are walking away, realising the madness that the left is employing.




And what is most sad is that her own mother used the fact that she is mixed race against her because she decided to talk about these things. Her own mother. She even acknowledged that she used to suffer from Trump Derangement Syndrome but came to realise her mistake.

And no Ed, these are not isolated incidents, many people are walking away and many leftist are displaying unhinged tendencies. When you have groups of people coming together that is not an isolated incident.

But I suppose it can't hurt the right When more and more people realise just how crazy the left and Democrats have become the right will only gain more votes.

[Stu]

And is this the future of the Democratic Party?

Prominent Democrat calls for protesters to invade, occupy and control all U.S. airports — Is she trying to start a civil war?

...

But then something happened: Ocasio-Cortez, no doubt feeling empowered by all of the outsized attention, began showing her true colors: She really is a Marxist revolutionary in the truest sense of the term. She really does want to overturn the existing constitutional order in America, and by force if necessary.

Earlier this week Ocasio-Cortez began calling on supporters to “occupy” U.S. airports, border crossings and, of course, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) offices, the extreme Left’s newest boogeyman.

“We have to occupy all of it,” she told Democracy Now! on Monday, as Infowars noted. “We need to occupy every airport. We need to occupy every border. We need to occupy every ICE office until those kids are back with their parents, period.”

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[edwardmurphy]

Stu, it seems like you're still playing the cherry picking game. I can go tit for tat pretty easily. The right wing press doesn't report on the many people out there who identify as conservative and/or support Trump and who behave just as obnoxiously, so maybe you're not aware of them. I promise you, they're there to be seen if you choose to look. I can also assure you that the vile lefties that are so frequently the subject of right wing reporting are often portrayed inaccurately, unfairly, and in the worst possible light. That's pundits for you. They're promoting an image of their political opponents, and fairness and accuracy don't concern them. So yeah, I can match your examples of poor leftie behavior with counterexamples of poor behavior by righties, but what's the point? Why bother?

The fact is, the idea of "the left" and "the right" as unified groups moving in lockstep is silly. A-holes chucking feces are no more representative of the typical liberal than racist, Jew-baiting Neo-Nazis are representative of the typical conservative. We're all better off ignoring the pundits' dog and pony show and focusing on the many things that we have in common. Because at the end of the day, believe it or not, we all want what's best for our families, our fellow citizens, and our countries.

[Philip]

The problem is when Christians see the answers to conflict and things they don't like in political solutions as opposed to spiritual ones. And the ones that irritate us the most are often the ones who most need what God has told us we need to make them understand - about Jesus, the Gospel, God's love, His desire for our conduct and behavior. But I see so many Christians hating or despising the people they disagree with politically (as opposed to just their wrongful views and actions) - a real shame. Good thing God didn't do that to us, right? RIGHT??? Yes, I intensely dislike extreme and bad behaviors on the left, right - or wherever they are manifested, and by whom. But note that Jesus didn't try to change people by showing outrage at their politics. Instead, He modeled the way to change them is from within / spiritually. Of COURSE people without belief in God or His values are going to have messed up politics - which are nothing but the way people extend their personal values with the choices they make.

But focusing on being angry at people without wanting and trying to love them and change them, hopefully by how we model and explain our Christianity - that's truly clueless for a Christian to think like that. Christians often tragically think that if we just got rid of this, that or those people, the world would be great. Or that their real problem is their politics. But Jesus said, the world changes when this, that or those people discover and begin to follow HIM! Because all the political outrage is exactly where the devil would love us to focus our efforts - because he knows it's pointless and ineffective! Yes, we can and should despise wrongful actions, but we need to focus more on the real solution to changing people! And I often see a wrong focus on this forum of how that should work - people despise people who could change if they first encounter God in a meaningful way. And that way sure shouldn't be Christians demonizing them as losers who will never change, or more importantly, CAN'T change. But it's how to change people's wrong thinking that should be the focus - far more than their behaviors that irritate us. We're often much more like Jonah and how he'd rather despise the Midianites than to focus on providing them what would change their hearts and minds.

[RickD]

Not all liberals are leftists.

Not all conservatives are far-right.


I have to agree with edwardmurphy here. While most mainstream liberals and conservatives don't necessarily agree on the methods, we want what we think is best for the country.

Liberals just happen to have good intentions, but the wrong answers.