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[Kenny]

Seems we're hitting rock bottom here. Pretty soon, we'll be debating whether reality isn't all an illusion that only exists in our minds. Uh, but someone would have to have a mind that was real for THAT to happen. What was it Descartes said?

Again; are you under the impression that numbers have a physical existence? Or do you agree with me that they don't actually exist.

[RickD]

Seems we're hitting rock bottom here. Pretty soon, we'll be debating whether reality isn't all an illusion that only exists in our minds. Uh, but someone would have to have a mind that was real for THAT to happen. What was it Descartes said?

Again; are you under the impression that numbers have a physical existence? Or do you agree with me that they don't actually exist.

Nobody is saying that nonphysical things, have a physical existence.

There are many things that don't have a physical embodiment, that exist. Heat, magnetism, gravity, color, energy.

[Kenny]

Seems we're hitting rock bottom here. Pretty soon, we'll be debating whether reality isn't all an illusion that only exists in our minds. Uh, but someone would have to have a mind that was real for THAT to happen. What was it Descartes said?

Again; are you under the impression that numbers have a physical existence? Or do you agree with me that they don't actually exist.

Nobody is saying that nonphysical things, have a physical existence.

There are many things that don't have a physical embodiment, that exist. Heat, magnetism, gravity, color, energy.

Actually; though not material, those things do exist physically.

[RickD]

Seems we're hitting rock bottom here. Pretty soon, we'll be debating whether reality isn't all an illusion that only exists in our minds. Uh, but someone would have to have a mind that was real for THAT to happen. What was it Descartes said?

Again; are you under the impression that numbers have a physical existence? Or do you agree with me that they don't actually exist.

Nobody is saying that nonphysical things, have a physical existence.

There are many things that don't have a physical embodiment, that exist. Heat, magnetism, gravity, color, energy.

Actually; though not material, those things do exist physically.

Explain how color exists physically.

[Kenny]

Seems we're hitting rock bottom here. Pretty soon, we'll be debating whether reality isn't all an illusion that only exists in our minds. Uh, but someone would have to have a mind that was real for THAT to happen. What was it Descartes said?

Again; are you under the impression that numbers have a physical existence? Or do you agree with me that they don't actually exist.

Nobody is saying that nonphysical things, have a physical existence.

There are many things that don't have a physical embodiment, that exist. Heat, magnetism, gravity, color, energy.

Actually; though not material, those things do exist physically.

Explain how color exists physically.

phys·i·cal
/ˈfizik(ə)l/
adjective

relating to things perceived through the senses as opposed to the mind; tangible or concrete.
"pleasant physical environments"
synonyms: material, substantial, solid, concrete, tangible, palpable, visible, real, actual
"everything physical in the universe"

Colors are perceived through our senses.

[PaulSacramento]

Again; are you under the impression that numbers have a physical existence? Or do you agree with me that they don't actually exist.

Nobody is saying that nonphysical things, have a physical existence.

There are many things that don't have a physical embodiment, that exist. Heat, magnetism, gravity, color, energy.

Actually; though not material, those things do exist physically.

Explain how color exists physically.

phys·i·cal
/ˈfizik(ə)l/
adjective

relating to things perceived through the senses as opposed to the mind; tangible or concrete.
"pleasant physical environments"
synonyms: material, substantial, solid, concrete, tangible, palpable, visible, real, actual
"everything physical in the universe"

Colors are perceived through our senses.

So are numbers.
Two rocks for example.

[Kenny]

Nobody is saying that nonphysical things, have a physical existence.

There are many things that don't have a physical embodiment, that exist. Heat, magnetism, gravity, color, energy.

Actually; though not material, those things do exist physically.

Explain how color exists physically.

phys·i·cal
/ˈfizik(ə)l/
adjective

relating to things perceived through the senses as opposed to the mind; tangible or concrete.
"pleasant physical environments"
synonyms: material, substantial, solid, concrete, tangible, palpable, visible, real, actual
"everything physical in the universe"

Colors are perceived through our senses.

So are numbers.
Two rocks for example.

Rocks are perceived through our senses; not the number 2. That's why we have to draw symbols that represent the number 2, because the actual number does not exist physically.

[Kenny]

I'm going on vacation for about 10 days. I may not have access to a computer during that time. If not I will respond to whatever replies when I get back

[PaulSacramento]

Actually; though not material, those things do exist physically.

Explain how color exists physically.

phys·i·cal
/ˈfizik(ə)l/
adjective

relating to things perceived through the senses as opposed to the mind; tangible or concrete.
"pleasant physical environments"
synonyms: material, substantial, solid, concrete, tangible, palpable, visible, real, actual
"everything physical in the universe"

Colors are perceived through our senses.

So are numbers.
Two rocks for example.

Rocks are perceived through our senses; not the number 2. That's why we have to draw symbols that represent the number 2, because the actual number does not exist physically.

Quantities, quantities, quantities...

[Kenny]

Explain how color exists physically.

phys·i·cal
/ˈfizik(ə)l/
adjective

relating to things perceived through the senses as opposed to the mind; tangible or concrete.
"pleasant physical environments"
synonyms: material, substantial, solid, concrete, tangible, palpable, visible, real, actual
"everything physical in the universe"

Colors are perceived through our senses.

So are numbers.
Two rocks for example.

Rocks are perceived through our senses; not the number 2. That's why we have to draw symbols that represent the number 2, because the actual number does not exist physically.

Quantities, quantities, quantities...

Quantities don’t exist physically

[PaulSacramento]

phys·i·cal
/ˈfizik(ə)l/
adjective

relating to things perceived through the senses as opposed to the mind; tangible or concrete.
"pleasant physical environments"
synonyms: material, substantial, solid, concrete, tangible, palpable, visible, real, actual
"everything physical in the universe"

Colors are perceived through our senses.

So are numbers.
Two rocks for example.

Rocks are perceived through our senses; not the number 2. That's why we have to draw symbols that represent the number 2, because the actual number does not exist physically.

Quantities, quantities, quantities...

Quantities don’t exist physically

Which would you rather be hit by:
1 - 5 lbs rock or
10- 5 lbs rocks?

[Kenny]

So are numbers.
Two rocks for example.

Rocks are perceived through our senses; not the number 2. That's why we have to draw symbols that represent the number 2, because the actual number does not exist physically.

Quantities, quantities, quantities...

Quantities don’t exist physically

Which would you rather be hit by:
1 - 5 lbs rock or
10- 5 lbs rocks?

Rocks have an actual existence; the numbers you mentioned don't.

[PaulSacramento]

Rocks are perceived through our senses; not the number 2. That's why we have to draw symbols that represent the number 2, because the actual number does not exist physically.

Quantities, quantities, quantities...

Quantities don’t exist physically

Which would you rather be hit by:
1 - 5 lbs rock or
10- 5 lbs rocks?

Rocks have an actual existence; the numbers you mentioned don't.

Right....

[RickD]

Rick: "Kenny, how old are you?"

Kenny: "I don't know, because numbers don't exist."

[Kenny]

Rick: "Kenny, how old are you?"

Kenny: "I don't know, because numbers don't exist."

(LOL) You crack me up buddy! Try talking to Paulsacramento; judging from his last response, he seems to get it! Perhaps he can explain it better than I can.