UFOs Apparently Defying Physics

[Philip]

So, what are these objects visually observed by airforce and other pilots, knowledgeable of a wide range of the latest aeronautic technologies? Interesting! Whatever, it does NOT mean they are aliens! In fact, that would be my very last assumption.

https://www.foxnews.com/science/christo ... tings-real

[PaulSacramento]

Of course UFO's are real.
ANY flying object that is unidentified is a UFO.

[Philip]

Define "REAL."

[Stu]

It's all soft disclosure. FOX is leading the way it seems, though I'm not that familiar with all US media so other media might also be airing/writing the occasional "alien" piece. It's the ultimate fallen angels end times deception.

[Philip]

Obviously, any physical craft controlled by physical beings are subject to the physics of the universe. And yet we have a significant percentage of craft seemingly not bound by physics. However, I would also question the accuracy of the reports and did reality truly line up with what was reported. Radar doesn't really tell us anything - much beyond speed and size. Perhaps anomalies inherent within the technology. Or inaccurate perceptions. Biological / physical aliens cannot reach us, as a variety of key reasons make that extremely unlikely and impossible.

[Stu]

Obviously, any physical craft controlled by physical beings are subject to the physics of the universe. And yet we have a significant percentage of craft seemingly not bound by physics. However, I would also question the accuracy of the reports and did reality truly line up with what was reported. Radar doesn't really tell us anything - much beyond speed and size. Perhaps anomalies inherent within the technology. Or inaccurate perceptions. Biological / physical aliens cannot reach us, as a variety of key reasons make that extremely unlikely and impossible.

And yet these craft are doing things that defy our current technology. Just because we can't imagine it doesn't mean the technology to power and fly such craft hasn't been created. It could work on an entirely different system that we (especially the layman) don't understand.

[Philip]

Stu: And yet these craft are doing things that defy our current technology. Just because we can't imagine it doesn't mean the technology to power and fly such craft hasn't been created.

Stu, are you suggesting we're being visited by REAL aliens from space?

[PaulSacramento]

Define "REAL."

I just did.
Any object that is flying and unidentifiable is a UFO.

Does that mean alien? No, of course not.

I know of at least 2 types of planes that, 20-30 years ago would have been UFO's.

[Philip]

Define "REAL."

I just did.
Any object that is flying and unidentifiable is a UFO.

Does that mean alien? No, of course not.

I know of at least 2 types of planes that, 20-30 years ago would have been UFO's.

No, you gave me the definition of a UFO. Of course it's an unidentified flying object. But the adjective "real" is what I was after. I was seeking whether one thinks UFOs are physical objects - as opposed to immaterial or supernatural ones.

[Stu]

Stu: And yet these craft are doing things that defy our current technology. Just because we can't imagine it doesn't mean the technology to power and fly such craft hasn't been created.

Stu, are you suggesting we're being visited by REAL aliens from space?

No not at all. We are being setup (for quite some time now) by the fallen angels for the great "alien" deception. It will be part of the end times deception.
Not exactly sure how it will unfold. But there are 2 scenarios that might unfold. First there will be good and bad aliens, and the good will help us defeat the bad aliens. The second will be that there are only good aliens and they will help us with technology and more than likely will say that they created us and even seeded (direct panspermia) us here on earth. And the Bible will need a reinterpretation according to them. Jesus as an alien? Quite possible. They will more than likely play the alien saviour card.

[PaulSacramento]

Define "REAL."

I just did.
Any object that is flying and unidentifiable is a UFO.

Does that mean alien? No, of course not.

I know of at least 2 types of planes that, 20-30 years ago would have been UFO's.

No, you gave me the definition of a UFO. Of course it's an unidentified flying object. But the adjective "real" is what I was after. I was seeking whether one thinks UFOs are physical objects - as opposed to immaterial or supernatural ones.

AH !
Understood.

Well, IMO:
It is fascinating that, these "sightings" came to be "alien" when we entered the "space age".
before that, these "visions" were viewed as "supernatural".
Food for thought?

[claysmithr]

If an object is projected from a higher dimension, it can appear to defy 3d physics, or it could just be a light show that looks like a craft, light can move pretty fast and do those maneuvers.

[RickD]

If an object is projected from a higher dimension, it can appear to defy 3d physics, or it could just be a light show that looks like a craft, light can move pretty fast and do those maneuvers.

Or it could be aliens!

[Philip]

Paul: Well, IMO: It is fascinating that, these "sightings" came to be "alien" when we entered the "space age".
before that, these "visions" were viewed as "supernatural".
Food for thought?

I'd say, the ones that are very credible and were exceptionally well documented may well be demonic. NOTHING can defy long and well-documented physics. But, as I always say, the devil has a large and very diverse toolbelt. He can tap into the culture via whatever its present beliefs. In the 19th century, people commonly said they were seeing fairies, unicorns, etc. - things common in fantasy literature. And see here a Smithsonian article noting how supposed UFO technology strangely changed - strongly suggesting that many supposed sightings were merely faked:
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/ ... 180968011/

Upon the birth of sci-fi writing, and later movies and TV - masses of people began to believe in aliens, and assigned that designation for unknown craft or phenomena. So what better deception, than to get people believing we are being invaded by beings from far-off civilizations that have vastly superior intellects and technologies - things they might share for the good of earth (or to threaten it). Basically, though, the devil's strategy is to deflect our attention to the supernatural and anything else that can take our focus off of God, driving our obsessions with these many strange mysteries.

Here, Dr. Mike Heiser - who has longtime scholarly interest in UFO-related phenomena, discusses here the questions of, are supposed aliens and UFOs. He distinguishes between craft and abductee testimonies - fascinating (forward to the 5:50 point): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLnojTf64Zs

And here, Heiser discusses what he believes about the alien phenomenon: http://drmsh.com/frequently-asked-questions/