Many Atheists DO Believe in the Supernatural

[Kenny]

Ken - my point about a supernatural beings are that demons are such beings - course they aren't God or gods - but according to the Bible they can masquerade as such, deceiving people into believing that false gods are real - just as demonic power empowered Pharaoh's magicians, or they oppress or possess people. But GOD - THE God, has control and power over everything He has created - which everything that exists has come from.

So what was your argument with what I said? Sounds like you agree with me.

Again, what attributes of a supernatural Being would it take for you to recognize Him as God?

Probably something akin to what is described in the Bible.

What if He is unlike what YOU think He should be?

My reaction would probably be the same as yours.

[Storyteller]

That life is created by already existing life sources. Trace it back Ken.

[Philip]

Philip: What if He is unlike what YOU think He should be?

Ken: My reaction would probably be the same as yours.

Well, first off, I would expect God to be far above our understandings and logic - as I can't see perfectly see ALL of the past and ALL of the future - which changes everything when you realize this all-knowing God also has unlimited power, love, values mercy over judgment, hates sin and prideful things. So, I do not expect Him to think or act like a man would - meaning, trying to understand the ways and thinking of God is like a worm trying to contemplate quantum physics - we don't have the toolkit of mind, spirit and ability of God.

Isaiah 55: "8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, declares the Lord. 9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts."

So, this is where atheists, agnostics and others make such a huge mistake - of reading Scriptural claims made about God, and saying to themselves, "If God actually exists, he would logically never create things as he supposedly has, nor do the crazy things we read in the Bible." Again, such thinking is like the worm contemplating general relativity or similar things.

[abelcainsbrother]

This is what happens when a person chooses to live out there life as an atheist without any evidence they are correct.Kenny here just goes on his personal opinion and because he accepted atheism without any evidence it is correct

Nearly every time you post it becomes more and more obvious you have no idea what it means to be atheist. And as many times as I have told you, yet you keep coming up with "zingers" like this; it's obvious you have no interest in learning.

I could careless how atheists label themselves.There is something seriously wrong with people who choose to live out their life as an atheist without any evidence they are correct.How come you don't want to know you're right? I thought atheists go by evidence and want proof for God,yet it is they who have no evidence for why they live out their life as an atheist. When are you going to take evidence seriously Kenny? Because the sooner you do the sooner you'll leave atheism due to it being too empty,even if you don't become a Christian you'll know atheism cannot be true due to no evidence and you'll finally leave atheism.But as long as you choose to not take evidence seriously you'll never be able to even begin to get to the truth.

Also how come you won't take my advice and ignore what people say,ignore what atheists say and actually visit a real haunted house? Because it will open your eyes to the spirit realm.


If you don't believe that atheists have no evidence atheism is true I want you to ask atheists for evidence atheism is true. And listen to them explain why they as an atheist do not have to have any evidence. And you'll know atheism cannot be true out of all other world views due to no evidence. The atheist would rather hide behind a label they expect you to go by than make sure they are correct in their atheistic thinking.

Then after you ask atheists for evidence I want you to ask Christians,muslims,hindu's,flat earthers,big foot,alien abductions,UFO sightings,witches,pagans,etc for evidence and you'll see them give you evidence,only atheists refuse to.Which means that there is more evidence for any of these other things i mentioned and I could keep going,but there is more evidence for these things than for atheism. Atheism is bottom of the barrel when it comes to having evidence you're correct.I'm not lying when I say atheism is too empty.

What do you mean when you say "no evidence that atheism is true or right? What do atheists claim as right? or true? If I have no evidence that atheism is true (whatever that means) am I supposed to become theist? Suppose I have no evidence that theism is true either?

What do I mean? We determine what is true or not based on evidence.It does not matter if what atheists claim is right because they and you are living out they and you're life as an atheist.If you have no evidence atheism is true then you should not be living out your life as an atheist,yet you are.You do have evidence Theism is true and have been given it many times only for you to reject,deny and explain it all away for your atheistic opinion without any evidence.

You know there is no evidence atheism is true and yet you are still living out your life as an atheist. It is faith Kenny because you are living out your life as an atheist as if it is true,just like a Christian living out their life as a Christian does. Yet you want to try to deny you have faith.Actions speak louder than words do.

The bottom line is this Kenny you should not be living out your life as an atheist without evidence it is correct for you to do so,and yet you are and you don't even care if you're right because you are living out your life as an atheist. And yes you should accept Theism based on evidence and shun atheism due to there being no evidence atheism is true.

I would like you to give proof and evidence you are correct to live out your life as an atheist Kenny,go ahead.

[RickD]

Kenny,

I think I understand your question, and there's confusion with ACB's answer.

You asked:

What do you mean when you say "no evidence that atheism is true or right?

I think he means that there's no evidence that God doesn't exist. Which isn't even controversial, since you admitted that you don't have any evidence.

And how you aren't understanding how you are sawing off the very branch that you're standing on, is beyond me.

[abelcainsbrother]

No offense to anybody but it does you no good to try to give evidence Theism is true or anything is true,even if it has nothing to even do with religion until atheists learn to take evidence seriously. I'm convinced this whole new atheist movement has been built on just trolling Christians but these atheists never realized there is no evidence atheism is true and now it is coming back to haunt them.

The whole new atheist movement has been built on trolling Christians, and anybody who is religious, or anybody who believes in the supernatural for proof and evidence,only for them to reject,deny and explain it all away with atheistic talking points as if there is no evidence. To the point now that atheists have convinced themselves they have actually refuted all evidence and arguments when the fact is it is only they the atheists who have no evidence they are correct.

Instead of trying to convince atheists with evidence we need to dedicate out time to helping atheists realize the importance of going by evidence to determine what is true or not. Until atheists take evidence seriously it is pointless to try to convince them with evidence anything is true.

[abelcainsbrother]

Kenny,

I think I understand your question, and there's confusion with ACB's answer.

You asked:

What do you mean when you say "no evidence that atheism is true or right?

I think he means that there's no evidence that God doesn't exist. Which isn't even controversial, since you admitted that you don't have any evidence.

And how you aren't understanding how you are sawing off the very branch that you're standing on, is beyond me.

Well first atheism is not just about God not existing but anything to do with the supernatural too but also the fact that atheists reject the idea of an afterlife an expect to just die and nothing more when they die.Atheism is exaggerated skepticism for anything to do with God,the supernatural and the afterlife religious people look forward to without the same level of skepticism for atheism.They give themselves a pass but expect evidence from everybody else so that they can reject,deny and explain it all away with atheistic talking points.This is why no matter if we bring up God or haunted houses,spirits,theism,etc Kenny has a talking point to reject,deny and explain it all away.Now sometimes Kenny prefers his own opinion and how he feels about it rather than a more popular atheist talking point but he is still apart of atheism and so the problem still remains.Atheism is too empty.

[Kenny]

That life is created by already existing life sources. Trace it back Ken.

Okay I gotcha. The idea that matter has always existed is something I’ve mentioned many times before that makes sense to me. The idea that the cell is one of many substances of matter that has always existed, is a discussion that has lead to countless “face palms” from RickyD, Philip, and countless others I’ve discussed with on this forum.

[Kenny]

Philip: What if He is unlike what YOU think He should be?

Ken: My reaction would probably be the same as yours.

Well, first off, I would expect God to be far above our understandings and logic - as I can't see perfectly see ALL of the past and ALL of the future - which changes everything when you realize this all-knowing God also has unlimited power, love, values mercy over judgment, hates sin and prideful things. So, I do not expect Him to think or act like a man would - meaning, trying to understand the ways and thinking of God is like a worm trying to contemplate quantum physics - we don't have the toolkit of mind, spirit and ability of God.

Isaiah 55: "8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, declares the Lord. 9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts."

So, this is where atheists, agnostics and others make such a huge mistake - of reading Scriptural claims made about God, and saying to themselves, "If God actually exists, he would logically never create things as he supposedly has, nor do the crazy things we read in the Bible." Again, such thinking is like the worm contemplating general relativity or similar things.

Are you saying the Bible cannot be trusted to provide an accurate understanding about what or who God is?

[Kenny]

This is what happens when a person chooses to live out there life as an atheist without any evidence they are correct.Kenny here just goes on his personal opinion and because he accepted atheism without any evidence it is correct

Nearly every time you post it becomes more and more obvious you have no idea what it means to be atheist. And as many times as I have told you, yet you keep coming up with "zingers" like this; it's obvious you have no interest in learning.

I could careless how atheists label themselves.There is something seriously wrong with people who choose to live out their life as an atheist without any evidence they are correct.How come you don't want to know you're right? I thought atheists go by evidence and want proof for God,yet it is they who have no evidence for why they live out their life as an atheist. When are you going to take evidence seriously Kenny? Because the sooner you do the sooner you'll leave atheism due to it being too empty,even if you don't become a Christian you'll know atheism cannot be true due to no evidence and you'll finally leave atheism.But as long as you choose to not take evidence seriously you'll never be able to even begin to get to the truth.

Also how come you won't take my advice and ignore what people say,ignore what atheists say and actually visit a real haunted house? Because it will open your eyes to the spirit realm.


If you don't believe that atheists have no evidence atheism is true I want you to ask atheists for evidence atheism is true. And listen to them explain why they as an atheist do not have to have any evidence. And you'll know atheism cannot be true out of all other world views due to no evidence. The atheist would rather hide behind a label they expect you to go by than make sure they are correct in their atheistic thinking.

Then after you ask atheists for evidence I want you to ask Christians,muslims,hindu's,flat earthers,big foot,alien abductions,UFO sightings,witches,pagans,etc for evidence and you'll see them give you evidence,only atheists refuse to.Which means that there is more evidence for any of these other things i mentioned and I could keep going,but there is more evidence for these things than for atheism. Atheism is bottom of the barrel when it comes to having evidence you're correct.I'm not lying when I say atheism is too empty.

What do you mean when you say "no evidence that atheism is true or right? What do atheists claim as right? or true? If I have no evidence that atheism is true (whatever that means) am I supposed to become theist? Suppose I have no evidence that theism is true either?

What do I mean? We determine what is true or not based on evidence.It does not matter if what atheists claim is right because they and you are living out they and you're life as an atheist.If you have no evidence atheism is true then you should not be living out your life as an atheist,yet you are.You do have evidence Theism is true and have been given it many times only for you to reject,deny and explain it all away for your atheistic opinion without any evidence.

You know there is no evidence atheism is true and yet you are still living out your life as an atheist. It is faith Kenny because you are living out your life as an atheist as if it is true,just like a Christian living out their life as a Christian does. Yet you want to try to deny you have faith.Actions speak louder than words do.

The bottom line is this Kenny you should not be living out your life as an atheist without evidence it is correct for you to do so,and yet you are and you don't even care if you're right because you are living out your life as an atheist. And yes you should accept Theism based on evidence and shun atheism due to there being no evidence atheism is true.

Actually I’ve got lots of what I would consider credible evidence that theism is not true, which would mean by default, evidence that atheism is true.

I would like you to give proof and evidence you are correct to live out your life as an atheist Kenny,go ahead.

The way I see it, if God is “almighty” he would be almighty enough to communicate to me in a way that I recognize and understand, rather than providing a bunch of people like you with no credibility; trying to speak for him. Now I know this makes no sense to you, but to me it makes perfect sense to me.

[Kenny]

Kenny,

I think I understand your question, and there's confusion with ACB's answer.

You asked:

What do you mean when you say "no evidence that atheism is true or right?

I think he means that there's no evidence that God doesn't exist. Which isn't even controversial, since you admitted that you don't have any evidence.

The God of the Bible is described in a way that makes it impossible to disprove. I can't even disprove the existence of Santa Clause; does that mean I can't be skeptical? IMO the inability to disprove something has never been a reason to believe it

And how you aren't understanding how you are sawing off the very branch that you're standing on, is beyond me.

Perhaps you can explain it to me.

[abelcainsbrother]

This is what happens when a person chooses to live out there life as an atheist without any evidence they are correct.Kenny here just goes on his personal opinion and because he accepted atheism without any evidence it is correct

Nearly every time you post it becomes more and more obvious you have no idea what it means to be atheist. And as many times as I have told you, yet you keep coming up with "zingers" like this; it's obvious you have no interest in learning.

I could careless how atheists label themselves.There is something seriously wrong with people who choose to live out their life as an atheist without any evidence they are correct.How come you don't want to know you're right? I thought atheists go by evidence and want proof for God,yet it is they who have no evidence for why they live out their life as an atheist. When are you going to take evidence seriously Kenny? Because the sooner you do the sooner you'll leave atheism due to it being too empty,even if you don't become a Christian you'll know atheism cannot be true due to no evidence and you'll finally leave atheism.But as long as you choose to not take evidence seriously you'll never be able to even begin to get to the truth.

Also how come you won't take my advice and ignore what people say,ignore what atheists say and actually visit a real haunted house? Because it will open your eyes to the spirit realm.


If you don't believe that atheists have no evidence atheism is true I want you to ask atheists for evidence atheism is true. And listen to them explain why they as an atheist do not have to have any evidence. And you'll know atheism cannot be true out of all other world views due to no evidence. The atheist would rather hide behind a label they expect you to go by than make sure they are correct in their atheistic thinking.

Then after you ask atheists for evidence I want you to ask Christians,muslims,hindu's,flat earthers,big foot,alien abductions,UFO sightings,witches,pagans,etc for evidence and you'll see them give you evidence,only atheists refuse to.Which means that there is more evidence for any of these other things i mentioned and I could keep going,but there is more evidence for these things than for atheism. Atheism is bottom of the barrel when it comes to having evidence you're correct.I'm not lying when I say atheism is too empty.

What do you mean when you say "no evidence that atheism is true or right? What do atheists claim as right? or true? If I have no evidence that atheism is true (whatever that means) am I supposed to become theist? Suppose I have no evidence that theism is true either?

What do I mean? We determine what is true or not based on evidence.It does not matter if what atheists claim is right because they and you are living out they and you're life as an atheist.If you have no evidence atheism is true then you should not be living out your life as an atheist,yet you are.You do have evidence Theism is true and have been given it many times only for you to reject,deny and explain it all away for your atheistic opinion without any evidence.

You know there is no evidence atheism is true and yet you are still living out your life as an atheist. It is faith Kenny because you are living out your life as an atheist as if it is true,just like a Christian living out their life as a Christian does. Yet you want to try to deny you have faith.Actions speak louder than words do.

The bottom line is this Kenny you should not be living out your life as an atheist without evidence it is correct for you to do so,and yet you are and you don't even care if you're right because you are living out your life as an atheist. And yes you should accept Theism based on evidence and shun atheism due to there being no evidence atheism is true.

Actually I’ve got lots of what I would consider credible evidence that theism is not true, which would mean by default, evidence that atheism is true.

I would like you to give proof and evidence you are correct to live out your life as an atheist Kenny,go ahead.

The way I see it, if God is “almighty” he would be almighty enough to communicate to me in a way that I recognize and understand, rather than providing a bunch of people like you with no credibility; trying to speak for him. Now I know this makes no sense to you, but to me it makes perfect sense to me.

Well you are the first atheist I've ever heard claim they have evidence for why they are atheist.Have you actually asked fellow atheists for evidence atheism is true? If so,did you provide them with evidence atheism is true? I think you should ask them because you'll realize how empty atheism really is and this is the supposedly big thinkers of atheism too that explain why they don't need any evidence.

So your evidence atheism is true is that you don't like it that God uses people like me with no credibility to speak for him? How is that I have no credibility when I stress over and over how important it is to go by evidence to get to the truth?How do you think you have credibility without any evidence atheism is true,yet you live out your life as one?

You have'nt given any proof and evidence atheism is true. You are still giving us your atheistic opinion about how you think God should do things instead of actually going by evidence to get to the truth. I really want to convince you the importance of going by evidence to get to the truth,but so far you are not taking evidence seriously.

Compared to all other religions I'm aware of Jesus offers the most awesome afterlife of them all but since you don't really know about religion and the differences I want to know say there is no evidence for God or Christianity eventhough there is,and you have been given it many of times,but lets just say there is no evidence for Christianity I want to know how you could live out your life as an atheist without any evidence you are correct while looking forward to just death and nothing more when you die over judgment day and heaven Jesus offers to those who believe in him? How can you do it? What is so appealing to you about death that convinced you to live out your life as an atheist and expect to just die? I can honestly say based on my research that no other god offers a better afterlife than Jesus does and so I would choose Jesus just based on afterlife alone,even if I had no evidence,but what say you?

[abelcainsbrother]

Kenny,

I think I understand your question, and there's confusion with ACB's answer.

You asked:

What do you mean when you say "no evidence that atheism is true or right?

I think he means that there's no evidence that God doesn't exist. Which isn't even controversial, since you admitted that you don't have any evidence.

The God of the Bible is described in a way that makes it impossible to disprove. I can't even disprove the existence of Santa Clause; does that mean I can't be skeptical? IMO the inability to disprove something has never been a reason to believe it

And how you aren't understanding how you are sawing off the very branch that you're standing on, is beyond me.

Perhaps you can explain it to me.

You said the inability to disprove something has never been a reason to believe it. If you really believed this you would not be an atheist.Because first off some evidence is better than no evidence,even for Santa Claus. But when we have atheist philosophers explaining why they don't need any evidence atheism is true and yet they are still living out their life as one,you know right off the bat atheism cannot be true and that you should be very skeptical of things atheists claim. Yet,you give them a pass.Why? Why are you skeptical when it comes to Santa Claus but not atheism?

It is like you have never ever done any actual research to get to the truth of something and so you cannot realize that only atheists claim they don't need any evidence. How are we to convince atheists with evidence when they don't take evidence seriously Kenny? I really want to know.It is like atheists have been indoctrinated and dumbed down by society to not take evidence seriously.One thing we do not do to get to the truth like you seem to do is just go by how we personally feel about it. No,we dig into the evidence to see if it is legit or not before we decide either way and we put our bias aside as best we can and go by the evidence in order to get to the truth.How come you are not very skeptical of atheism and their atheistic thinking based on evidence? What makes you overlook their lack of evidence and yet still choose to be one?

[Kenny]

Nearly every time you post it becomes more and more obvious you have no idea what it means to be atheist. And as many times as I have told you, yet you keep coming up with "zingers" like this; it's obvious you have no interest in learning.

I could careless how atheists label themselves.There is something seriously wrong with people who choose to live out their life as an atheist without any evidence they are correct.How come you don't want to know you're right? I thought atheists go by evidence and want proof for God,yet it is they who have no evidence for why they live out their life as an atheist. When are you going to take evidence seriously Kenny? Because the sooner you do the sooner you'll leave atheism due to it being too empty,even if you don't become a Christian you'll know atheism cannot be true due to no evidence and you'll finally leave atheism.But as long as you choose to not take evidence seriously you'll never be able to even begin to get to the truth.

Also how come you won't take my advice and ignore what people say,ignore what atheists say and actually visit a real haunted house? Because it will open your eyes to the spirit realm.


If you don't believe that atheists have no evidence atheism is true I want you to ask atheists for evidence atheism is true. And listen to them explain why they as an atheist do not have to have any evidence. And you'll know atheism cannot be true out of all other world views due to no evidence. The atheist would rather hide behind a label they expect you to go by than make sure they are correct in their atheistic thinking.

Then after you ask atheists for evidence I want you to ask Christians,muslims,hindu's,flat earthers,big foot,alien abductions,UFO sightings,witches,pagans,etc for evidence and you'll see them give you evidence,only atheists refuse to.Which means that there is more evidence for any of these other things i mentioned and I could keep going,but there is more evidence for these things than for atheism. Atheism is bottom of the barrel when it comes to having evidence you're correct.I'm not lying when I say atheism is too empty.

What do you mean when you say "no evidence that atheism is true or right? What do atheists claim as right? or true? If I have no evidence that atheism is true (whatever that means) am I supposed to become theist? Suppose I have no evidence that theism is true either?

What do I mean? We determine what is true or not based on evidence.It does not matter if what atheists claim is right because they and you are living out they and you're life as an atheist.If you have no evidence atheism is true then you should not be living out your life as an atheist,yet you are.You do have evidence Theism is true and have been given it many times only for you to reject,deny and explain it all away for your atheistic opinion without any evidence.

You know there is no evidence atheism is true and yet you are still living out your life as an atheist. It is faith Kenny because you are living out your life as an atheist as if it is true,just like a Christian living out their life as a Christian does. Yet you want to try to deny you have faith.Actions speak louder than words do.

The bottom line is this Kenny you should not be living out your life as an atheist without evidence it is correct for you to do so,and yet you are and you don't even care if you're right because you are living out your life as an atheist. And yes you should accept Theism based on evidence and shun atheism due to there being no evidence atheism is true.

Actually I’ve got lots of what I would consider credible evidence that theism is not true, which would mean by default, evidence that atheism is true.

I would like you to give proof and evidence you are correct to live out your life as an atheist Kenny,go ahead.

The way I see it, if God is “almighty” he would be almighty enough to communicate to me in a way that I recognize and understand, rather than providing a bunch of people like you with no credibility; trying to speak for him. Now I know this makes no sense to you, but to me it makes perfect sense to me.

Well you are the first atheist I've ever heard claim they have evidence for why they are atheist.Have you actually asked fellow atheists for evidence atheism is true? If so,did you provide them with evidence atheism is true? I think you should ask them because you'll realize how empty atheism really is and this is the supposedly big thinkers of atheism too that explain why they don't need any evidence.

My rejection of theism is not something I learned from other people, its something I figured out on my own.

So your evidence atheism is true is that you don't like it that God uses people like me with no credibility to speak for him? How is that I have no credibility when I stress over and over how important it is to go by evidence to get to the truth?

I don’t know you so when you tell me something that doesn’t make sense to me, rather than believing you are right and I am wrong, I assume I am right and you are wrong.

How do you think you have credibility without any evidence atheism is true,yet you live out your life as one?

What does it mean to live my life as an atheist? What do I do that a theist doesn’t, and visa versa?

You have'nt given any proof and evidence atheism is true. You are still giving us your atheistic opinion about how you think God should do things instead of actually going by evidence to get to the truth. I really want to convince you the importance of going by evidence to get to the truth,but so far you are not taking evidence seriously.

You haven’t provided any evidence.

Compared to all other religions I'm aware of Jesus offers the most awesome afterlife of them all but since you don't really know about religion and the differences I want to know say there is no evidence for God or Christianity eventhough there is,and you have been given it many of times,but lets just say there is no evidence for Christianity I want to know how you could live out your life as an atheist without any evidence you are correct while looking forward to just death and nothing more when you die over judgment day and heaven Jesus offers to those who believe in him? How can you do it? What is so appealing to you about death that convinced you to live out your life as an atheist and expect to just die? I can honestly say based on my research that no other god offers a better afterlife than Jesus does and so I would choose Jesus just based on afterlife alone,even if I had no evidence,but what say you?

I believe it was Mark Twain who said
“I will choose the bitter truth over a sweet lie any day”
I couldn’t agree more.

[RickD]

Kenny,

I think I understand your question, and there's confusion with ACB's answer.

You asked:

What do you mean when you say "no evidence that atheism is true or right?

I think he means that there's no evidence that God doesn't exist. Which isn't even controversial, since you admitted that you don't have any evidence.

The God of the Bible is described in a way that makes it impossible to disprove. I can't even disprove the existence of Santa Clause; does that mean I can't be skeptical? IMO the inability to disprove something has never been a reason to believe it

And how you aren't understanding how you are sawing off the very branch that you're standing on, is beyond me.

Perhaps you can explain it to me.

And as you write this, you are still oblivious to the fact that as a materialist, you must rely on evidence, because that's all you've got. Proof of God's existence is swept under the rug, and ignored, because it's not empirical evidence. Yet you hold to atheism, without any evidence that God doesn't exist.

Your entire worldview is based on faulty reasoning.