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AttentionKMartShoppers · Sun Dec 11, 2005 8:53 pm

Just testing your Engrish skills

BGoodForGoodSake · Post by **BGoodForGoodSake** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 9:08 pm

AttentionKMartShoppers wrote:Just testing your Engrish skills

When all else fails resort to racial slurs.

You've hurt me, you've hurt me bad.
I'm going to go cry now.

Jbuza · Post by **Jbuza** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 9:18 pm

If science can speculate that a common ancestors exist that we see no material evidence for than it can speculate that God exists.

Believer · Post by **Believer** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 9:29 pm

BGoodForGoodSake wrote:Science speculates that Christianity originated out of Israel. What is the evidence for this?

BGoodForGoodSake wrote:Besides the bible, you're bible was not printed 2000 years ago.

Obviously, and why do you not capitalize Bible? A book and/or a collection of books need to be capitalized. And by saying "you're bible", what do you subscribe to, what religion? Answers man, answers!

AttentionKMartShoppers · Sun Dec 11, 2005 9:30 pm

Jbuza wrote:If science can speculate that a common ancestors exist that we see no material evidence for than it can speculate that God exists.

The funny part is I just came to that realization reading Systematic Theology by Berkhof...

BGoodForGoodSake · Post by **BGoodForGoodSake** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 9:48 pm

Believer wrote:
BGoodForGoodSake wrote:Science speculates that Christianity originated out of Israel. What is the evidence for this?

BGoodForGoodSake wrote:Besides the bible, you're bible was not printed 2000 years ago.
Obviously, and why do you not capitalize Bible? A book and/or a collection of books need to be capitalized. And by saying "you're bible", what do you subscribe to, what religion? Answers man, answers!

I'm talking about science.
Science requires evidence.

If science speculates that Christianity originated in Israel, what is the basis of this speculation. That is what my point is.

Believer · Post by **Believer** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 9:52 pm

BGoodForGoodSake wrote:
Believer wrote:
BGoodForGoodSake wrote:Science speculates that Christianity originated out of Israel. What is the evidence for this?

BGoodForGoodSake wrote:Besides the bible, you're bible was not printed 2000 years ago.
Obviously, and why do you not capitalize Bible? A book and/or a collection of books need to be capitalized. And by saying "you're bible", what do you subscribe to, what religion? Answers man, answers!
I'm talking about science.
Science requires evidence.

If science speculates that Christianity originated in Israel, what is the basis of this speculation. That is what my point is.

Notice I replied to your second quote, not the first

. Missing the point again BGood

?

Forge · Post by **Forge** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 9:58 pm

BGoodForGoodSake wrote:When all else fails resort to racial slurs.

You've hurt me, you've hurt me bad.
I'm going to go cry now.

Go back to your cage, you emo.

BGoodForGoodSake · Post by **BGoodForGoodSake** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 9:59 pm

Believer wrote:
BGoodForGoodSake wrote:
Believer wrote:
BGoodForGoodSake wrote:Science speculates that Christianity originated out of Israel. What is the evidence for this?

BGoodForGoodSake wrote:Besides the bible, you're bible was not printed 2000 years ago.
Obviously, and why do you not capitalize Bible? A book and/or a collection of books need to be capitalized. And by saying "you're bible", what do you subscribe to, what religion? Answers man, answers!
I'm talking about science.
Science requires evidence.

If science speculates that Christianity originated in Israel, what is the basis of this speculation. That is what my point is.
Notice I replied to your second quote, not the first . Missing the point again BGood ?

The quotes belong to one coherent idea. Being that science doesn't use only the bible as evidence for conclusions.

BGoodForGoodSake · Post by **BGoodForGoodSake** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 10:00 pm

Forge wrote:
BGoodForGoodSake wrote:When all else fails resort to racial slurs.

You've hurt me, you've hurt me bad.
I'm going to go cry now.
Go back to your cage, you emo.

What's an emo?

Jbuza · Post by **Jbuza** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 10:03 pm

If science speculates that Christianity originated in Israel, what is the basis of this speculation.

Jesus Christ being born there.

BGoodForGoodSake · Post by **BGoodForGoodSake** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 10:08 pm

Jbuza wrote:If science speculates that Christianity originated in Israel, what is the basis of this speculation.
Jesus Christ being born there.

How does science know this? Were you there?
I deleted this post, because I realized I have no interest debating this. However Believer picked up on it before it was deleted. I'll just leave this issue open.

AttentionKMartShoppers · Sun Dec 11, 2005 10:12 pm

BGood, that is not the domain of science. That's like asking a medical doctor if a new wing component can withstand 10 G forces...duh?

BGoodForGoodSake · Post by **BGoodForGoodSake** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 10:14 pm

AttentionKMartShoppers wrote:So, it cannot be verified unless it can be stuck in a test tube basically? So we just toss out non-Christian sources, Jewish sources (Josephius for example), and Christian sources (four gospels, Paul, early church fathers)

Of course in our personal lives its hard to throw out a text which has survived more than a thousand years.

But science needs more than this to reach a conclusion. If multiple disciplines and findings lead to a conclusion, it makes that conclusion stronger.

Josephius, the bible and other references from Roman texts support that indeed Jesus was a real person.

Jbuza · Post by **Jbuza** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 10:18 pm

BGoodForGoodSake wrote:
Jbuza wrote:If science speculates that Christianity originated in Israel, what is the basis of this speculation.
Jesus Christ being born there.
How does science know this? Were you there?
I deleted this post, because I realized I have no interest debating this. However Believer picked up on it before it was deleted. I'll just leave this issue open.

sure. sure. Yet you accept evolution. Where you there? You have only heard or read reports of 99.9% of scientific investigation. To a certian extent we must accept the report of credible sources and test to see if it is reasonable and logical.

I see no reason for you not to debate that Christianity started outside Isreal, it has the same evidence as those phylogenetic charts you talk about.