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Did Hawking strengthen the case for God?
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Did Hawking strengthen the case for God?
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Re: Did Hawking strengthen the case for God?
Oh, yes, the irony! Hawking’s last musings on the theorized multiverse argues for strict limits to the kinds of universes that would have populated such multiple universes. But if that is the case, and the universes of such a multiverse “were” governed by, as Hawking and his co-writer suggest, the SAME laws - then the question becomes WHY would the laws of an infinite string of universes have been the SAME???!!! As usual, Hawking and his co-author merely kicked what really needs explaining further down the road. And note, there is ZERO evidence for such a theorized, eternal string of universes, much less how any of them – much less multiple ones – could have such precise characteristics and complex laws required. Mind you, they don’t even have any evidence for just ONE other universe. And as for the Big Bang – what they are really doing is tossing it aside – likely because they do not like the implications of what occurred within even its first minutes. Nor the fact that nothing physical existed prior to it.
So by asserting multiple universes and then adding that to an infinite period of time, they are loading the dice that the probability of a universe like ours being possible. But the Big Bang gives us a FINITE period of time since ANY physical things existed, and unlimited time is not some magic genie that can produce a universe of staggering complexity and insanely precise cross-coordinations, designs and functionalities.
Besides all of that, it is not enough for things to just exist in the right amounts – as what began immediately at the Big Bang is as if the most marvelous orchestra of all time began organizing from suddenly appearing, previously non-existing wood, into beautifully designed instruments of marvelous functionality, with each playing its unique contributions to astonishing compositions, played without any musicians required.
So, what drives all of these wild, non-evidence-driven theories about a self-made, self organizing universe, and complex, guiding laws that just happen to have existed? The article’s author provides the obvious answer: “But if the alternative is the postulation of a supernatural creator, then this seems like the more plausible proposal." So, the likelihood of NO intelligence producing an incredibly complex universe like ours seems far more likely than an intelligence doing so? Got it! Brilliant!
So by asserting multiple universes and then adding that to an infinite period of time, they are loading the dice that the probability of a universe like ours being possible. But the Big Bang gives us a FINITE period of time since ANY physical things existed, and unlimited time is not some magic genie that can produce a universe of staggering complexity and insanely precise cross-coordinations, designs and functionalities.
Besides all of that, it is not enough for things to just exist in the right amounts – as what began immediately at the Big Bang is as if the most marvelous orchestra of all time began organizing from suddenly appearing, previously non-existing wood, into beautifully designed instruments of marvelous functionality, with each playing its unique contributions to astonishing compositions, played without any musicians required.
So, what drives all of these wild, non-evidence-driven theories about a self-made, self organizing universe, and complex, guiding laws that just happen to have existed? The article’s author provides the obvious answer: “But if the alternative is the postulation of a supernatural creator, then this seems like the more plausible proposal." So, the likelihood of NO intelligence producing an incredibly complex universe like ours seems far more likely than an intelligence doing so? Got it! Brilliant!
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Re: Did Hawking strengthen the case for God?
Amazes me that people will believe in something totally made up with no logic or reason to be, like the multi-verse hypothesis and yet deny the reason and rational behind the classical theist view of God.
Same for aliens, lol !
Not on shred of evidence for existence of life on another planet, much less intelligent ADVANCED life, but people will believe that rather than believe in the "supernatural", even though we admit we don't know enough about the natural world to begin with !
Same for aliens, lol !
Not on shred of evidence for existence of life on another planet, much less intelligent ADVANCED life, but people will believe that rather than believe in the "supernatural", even though we admit we don't know enough about the natural world to begin with !
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Re: Did Hawking strengthen the case for God?
Of course the funny part is that IF multiple universe and alternate realities do exist then, guess what, the bible said it first about that too !