Again, I'm not sure why I wouldn't be denying that. Late and tired again, I guess.
Prove it! You claim it is not true Obama was not born in America.You can't all you can do is claim you are right and regurgiate what the MSM reported as if it is the gospel truth,and anything other than what they say is a conspiracy theory.You treat other views that go against what the MSM claims a conspiracy theory.Eventhough the media and Democrats were totally wrong for two years claiming Trump colluded with Russia and we have the evidence as Adam Schiff claimed many times,and that the Mueller report would prove it,yet once the Mueller report came out it showed they lied for two years and Adam Schiff has never presented the evidence he claimed he had that would prove it,to this day.So they were wrong about evidence that would prove it.edwardmurphy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2019 7:52 pm This is what I'm talking about when I say "Abe is hard to deal with." This is just tortured logic.
The right didn't "expose the truth." Birtherism is a conspiracy theory that never made any sense and has been repeatedly debunked. The only people who still believe it are ignorant, paranoid racists.abelcainsbrother wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2019 6:49 pmYou think that because the right exposed the truth that Obama was not born in the US and you think it is a lie,it is OK for the left and MSM to make up lies about Trump.
As far as "the left," whatever that means, and the MSM making up lies, I don't think it's okay. That's why I fact check stories and don't disseminate fake news, even if it happens to be awesome.
By the way, this totally just happened:
LOL, he hasn't even realized it! Worms are eating his brain!
Anyway, the difference between us is that I recognize my own ignorance and do my best to lessen it by reading the news, fact checking stories, and doing my damndest to stay informed and think critically.
You, by comparison, don't.
Sigh...abelcainsbrother wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2019 6:49 pmWhat amazes me is how you continue to believe the nonsense put out by the MSM and the left who are always wrong in the end.
Trump did obstruct justice. The Mueller Report makes that very clear, and more than 700 former federal prosecutors backed him up. Plus I read the law, read the Mueller Report, thought about it, and decided and what they're saying makes sense. However, the Senate GOP was never going to convict Trump of obstruction because they care more about protecting their political position than enforcing the law. The Democrats know that, so they made a political calculation and decided not to impeach.abelcainsbrother wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2019 6:49 pmYou claim Trump obstructed justice but yet the Dems are wanting to impeach Trump over this Ukraine whistle blower conspiracy theory based on hear say.If Trump obstructed justice then why are they now using this to impeach Trump instead of obstruction of justice instead? It is because of the Mueller report that came out and you believed the MSM's spin and still promote it even now.Even when the Democrats have moved on from it because it was not what they wanted.
Now we have a new scandal, and the Democrats seem to believe that this one might just be so flagrant a violation of our trust, the oath of office, and the law that the Senate GOP will be forced to make a political calculation of their own and vote to jettison the clown. That, or they figure that if they can keep the cameras focused on Trump's selfishness and lawlessness long enough he'll get crushed in 2020. These are guesses of course; Nancy Pelosi doesn't share her thoughts with me. Still, it seems pretty obvious.
I don't read editorials, analysis, and opinion pieces.abelcainsbrother wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2019 6:49 pmYet no matter how many times they tell a lie about Trump you buy it hook,line and sinker.You love to believe liars who continually get things wrong when it comes to Trump and do not know what they are talking about.
I think that there's something to the whistleblower's report because I read the report and looked at the evidence that it contained, read the IG's letter saying it was credible, read the partial transcript that the Trump Administration released, read up on the Biden story that Rudy's been trying to sell, took note of the fact that the Administration didn't release the actual transcript of the call as the law requires them to do, read the Acting Director of National Intelligence's testimony that the whistleblower did the right thing, and decided that there just might be something to this.
You, by comparison, didn't.
You've written some facts, but you've also omitted a bunch of relevant information in order to make those facts appear sinister when they're not. What actually happened is that Joe Biden, as a representative of the Obama Administration and with the support of the European Union and anti-corruption activists in the Ukraine, publicly and transparently worked together to get a corrupt prosecutor fired. Hunter Biden had nothing to do with it.Stu wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2019 12:40 pm Oh Ed, you really are a deluded liberal lapping up the rubbish the media is feeding you.
Biden's actions were far worse than what Trump has done. Trump merely asked to look into Hunter's actions. Biden DEMANDED the prosecutor be fired or funds would not be released, and he got his way!
The way they brainwash you liberals is amazing. Biden is so arrogant and egotistical he doesn't even realise that he should shut his big mouth, instead he brags about it on live TV (it's why he get's all touchy feely with woman, he thinks he can do no wrong and is above everyone else). And people want this guy as President?!
What do you mean by "his followers"?ACB wrote:
As for me Donald Trump has not lied to his followers...
Like every American, I deserve to meet my accuser, especially when this accuser, the so-called “Whistleblower,” represented a perfect conversation with a foreign leader in a totally inaccurate and fraudulent way. Then Schiff made up what I actually said by lying to Congress......As is this:
His lies were made in perhaps the most blatant and sinister manner ever seen in the great Chamber. He wrote down and read terrible things, then said it was from the mouth of the President of the United States. I want Schiff questioned at the highest level for Fraud & Treason.....
....In addition, I want to meet not only my accuser, who presented SECOND & THIRD HAND INFORMATION, but also the person who illegally gave this information, which was largely incorrect, to the “Whistleblower.” Was this person SPYING on the U.S. President? Big Consequences!
Rep. Adam Schiff illegally made up a FAKE & terrible statement, pretended it to be mine as the most important part of my call to the Ukrainian President, and read it aloud to Congress and the American people. It bore NO relationship to what I said on the call. Arrest for Treason?There's a lot wrong here.
If the person who brought forth the information, got the info second or third hand, is he still a whistleblower, by definition?EdwardMurphy wrote:
The President of the United States is publicly threatening a whistleblower, in blatant violation of the Whistleblower Protection Act.
Just seen on TV that the Intel Community has just recently (just in time for this "whistelblower" to bring forth his info) changed the requirement for what defines a whisteblower!RickD wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:17 amIf the person who brought forth the information, got the info second or third hand, is he still a whistleblower, by definition?EdwardMurphy wrote:
The President of the United States is publicly threatening a whistleblower, in blatant violation of the Whistleblower Protection Act.
Yes, he is. By definition and in the eyes of the law.
Then I wonder why this article came out.edwardmurphy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 11:56 amYes, he is. By definition and in the eyes of the law.
The claim that until last week whistleblowers were only allowed to report firsthand information is a lie. That has never been the case. Whistleblowers can report anything that concerns them, following which it's the responsibility of the IG to investigate the claim. Seriously, think about it. What would be the point of a rule specifically forbidding people from sharing rumors and conversations with the Inspector General for investigation? That's just ridiculous.
Speaking of which, Trump's claim that the report is unsubstantiated second and third hand information is also a lie. The whistleblower's report included second hand information, but he passed it to the IG, who investigated and found it to be credible. It's not one guy talking, it's one guy talking to the Inspector General, who then investigated and substantiated the report.
So yeah, as is so often the case, Trump and his enablers are lying in an attempt to distract us from his indefensible behavior. And, as usual, Stu's information is false.
More information:
https://twitter.com/normative?lang=en
https://twitter.com/GovAcctProj
And seriously, if you haven't done it yet take a minute and read the whistleblower's report, the IG's letter, and the transcript of the phone call and decide for yourself if an impeachment inquiry is justified.
Trump supporters who stand with the President politically to support his agenda and campaign promises.
So both the Inspector General and Trump's Director of National Intelligence have verified that the whistleblower's complaint was an "urgent concern" that "appears credible"Here's what Trump's director of national intelligence said about the whistleblower in testimony before Congress yesterday (9/26)
"First, I want to stress I believe the whistle-blower and the inspector general have acted in good faith throughout," he said. "I have every reason to believe that they have done everything by the book and followed the law."
