Re: Is Jesus God? And Why it Matters.

LonnieOwesn1973 · Post by **LonnieOwesn1973** » Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:30 am

DBowling wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:11 am
LonnieOwesn1973 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:05 am
DBowling wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:14 am
LonnieOwesn1973 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:37 am the fact remains that one of the Scripture, directly from Christ, Matthew 27:46 brings me back to the conclusion that God is God and Jesus is the Son of God...
Yes...
Scripture does teach that...
God is God
and Jesus is the Son of God
There is nothing wrong with believing that
I believe that too

But Scripture doesn't stop there
Scripture also teaches that
Jesus is God (John 1:1)
and
the Son of God is "the Lord thy God" (Mat 4:10, Mat 14:33)

If you claim to believe what Scripture teaches about Jesus, then you need to accept EVERYTHING that Scripture teaches about Jesus
Including...
The Word (Jesus) was WITH God (John 1:1)
The Word (Jesus) WAS God (John 1:1)
All things were made through the Word (Jesus) (John 1:3)
Jesus is a valid object of worship (Mat 14:33)
The Son of God is a valid object of worship (Mat 14:33)

You are not honoring Jesus or the Word of God if you discard what they say because they don't conform to your personal beliefs.
The same could be said of y'all as well...because it feels,like you have disregarded what I say because it doesn't conform to ypur beliefs...
I disregard what you say because because what you say doesn't conform to what the Word of God says
And what you say doesn't conform to what Jesus says either...

Once again,,,
If you claim to believe what Scripture teaches about Jesus, then you need to accept EVERYTHING that Scripture teaches about Jesus
Including...
The Word (Jesus) was WITH God (John 1:1)
The Word (Jesus) WAS God (John 1:1)
All things were made through the Word (Jesus) (John 1:3)
Jesus is a valid object of worship (Mat 14:33)
The Son of God is a valid object of worship (Mat 14:33)

So my beliefs mean nothing just because you cannot see where I am coming from???

PaulSacramento · Post by **PaulSacramento** » Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:31 am

You believe that Jesus is the Son of God, so what does that make Jesus?

DBowling · Post by **DBowling** » Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:39 am

LonnieOwesn1973 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:30 am
DBowling wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:11 am
LonnieOwesn1973 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:05 am
DBowling wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:14 am If you claim to believe what Scripture teaches about Jesus, then you need to accept EVERYTHING that Scripture teaches about Jesus
Including...
The Word (Jesus) was WITH God (John 1:1)
The Word (Jesus) WAS God (John 1:1)
All things were made through the Word (Jesus) (John 1:3)
Jesus is a valid object of worship (Mat 14:33)
The Son of God is a valid object of worship (Mat 14:33)

You are not honoring Jesus or the Word of God if you discard what they say because they don't conform to your personal beliefs.
The same could be said of y'all as well...because it feels,like you have disregarded what I say because it doesn't conform to ypur beliefs...
I disregard what you say because because what you say doesn't conform to what the Word of God says
And what you say doesn't conform to what Jesus says either...

Once again,,,
If you claim to believe what Scripture teaches about Jesus, then you need to accept EVERYTHING that Scripture teaches about Jesus
Including...
The Word (Jesus) was WITH God (John 1:1)
The Word (Jesus) WAS God (John 1:1)
All things were made through the Word (Jesus) (John 1:3)
Jesus is a valid object of worship (Mat 14:33)
The Son of God is a valid object of worship (Mat 14:33)
So my beliefs mean nothing just because you cannot see where I am coming from???

No... your beliefs are unScriptural because they directly contradict these Scriptures

The Word (Jesus) was WITH God (John 1:1)
The Word (Jesus) WAS God (John 1:1)
All things were made through the Word (Jesus) (John 1:3)
Jesus is a valid object of worship (Mat 14:33)
The Son of God is a valid object of worship (Mat 14:33)

LonnieOwesn1973 · Post by **LonnieOwesn1973** » Wed Dec 04, 2019 10:12 am

PaulSacramento wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:31 am You believe that Jesus is the Son of God, so what does that make Jesus?

The Son of God

LonnieOwesn1973 · Post by **LonnieOwesn1973** » Wed Dec 04, 2019 10:15 am

DBowling wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:39 am
LonnieOwesn1973 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:30 am
DBowling wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:11 am
LonnieOwesn1973 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:05 am
DBowling wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:14 am If you claim to believe what Scripture teaches about Jesus, then you need to accept EVERYTHING that Scripture teaches about Jesus
Including...
The Word (Jesus) was WITH God (John 1:1)
The Word (Jesus) WAS God (John 1:1)
All things were made through the Word (Jesus) (John 1:3)
Jesus is a valid object of worship (Mat 14:33)
The Son of God is a valid object of worship (Mat 14:33)

You are not honoring Jesus or the Word of God if you discard what they say because they don't conform to your personal beliefs.
The same could be said of y'all as well...because it feels,like you have disregarded what I say because it doesn't conform to ypur beliefs...
I disregard what you say because because what you say doesn't conform to what the Word of God says
And what you say doesn't conform to what Jesus says either...

Once again,,,
If you claim to believe what Scripture teaches about Jesus, then you need to accept EVERYTHING that Scripture teaches about Jesus
Including...
The Word (Jesus) was WITH God (John 1:1)
The Word (Jesus) WAS God (John 1:1)
All things were made through the Word (Jesus) (John 1:3)
Jesus is a valid object of worship (Mat 14:33)
The Son of God is a valid object of worship (Mat 14:33)
So my beliefs mean nothing just because you cannot see where I am coming from???
No... your beliefs are unScriptural because they directly contradict these Scriptures

The Word (Jesus) was WITH God (John 1:1)
The Word (Jesus) WAS God (John 1:1)
All things were made through the Word (Jesus) (John 1:3)
Jesus is a valid object of worship (Mat 14:33)
The Son of God is a valid object of worship (Mat 14:33)

Understood then I guess we are finished here because, even though I do not agree with you that Jesus is God because I do not see it in the scripture as you see it, now that is judgemental...

PaulSacramento · Post by **PaulSacramento** » Wed Dec 04, 2019 10:21 am

LonnieOwesn1973 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 10:12 am
PaulSacramento wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:31 am You believe that Jesus is the Son of God, so what does that make Jesus?
The Son of God

Not WHO, WHAT.
Is He just a Human?

LonnieOwesn1973 · Post by **LonnieOwesn1973** » Wed Dec 04, 2019 10:23 am

Sorry all but when a person's beliefs do not conform with another's they are attacked... And yet still no valid explanation for Matthew 27:46 as it is disregarded all the way around.... So very sad that anyone who says they are a christian would treat another Christian with that much disrespect...

If people wanna get really technical, the book Enoch was widely used back then and in fact it is still in use to this day but the thing is it actually explains who Jesus is and thus is why the Catholic church decided against it... And I know everyone will discount it because it was not written by Enoch but handed down by verbal account... And Christ means anointed bot God and bit a name of Jesus but a title... Also means chosen one as well, but hey its all good...

LonnieOwesn1973 · Post by **LonnieOwesn1973** » Wed Dec 04, 2019 10:25 am

PaulSacramento wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 10:21 am
LonnieOwesn1973 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 10:12 am
PaulSacramento wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:31 am You believe that Jesus is the Son of God, so what does that make Jesus?
The Son of God
Not WHO, WHAT.
Is He just a Human?

He is the Son of God... At no time did he ever claime to be divine or a God...

LonnieOwesn1973 · Post by **LonnieOwesn1973** » Wed Dec 04, 2019 10:27 am

How about Luke 23:46???

RickD · Post by **RickD** » Wed Dec 04, 2019 10:35 am

LonnieOwesn1973 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 10:25 am
PaulSacramento wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 10:21 am
LonnieOwesn1973 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 10:12 am
PaulSacramento wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:31 am You believe that Jesus is the Son of God, so what does that make Jesus?
The Son of God
Not WHO, WHAT.
Is He just a Human?
He is the Son of God... At no time did he ever claime to be divine or a God...

You didn't answer Paul's question. What is Jesus' nature? Is he fully human, and nothing else?

RickD · Post by **RickD** » Wed Dec 04, 2019 10:45 am

LonnieOwesn1973 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 10:23 am Sorry all but when a person's beliefs do not conform with another's they are attacked... And yet still no valid explanation for Matthew 27:46 as it is disregarded all the way around.... So very sad that anyone who says they are a christian would treat another Christian with that much disrespect...

If people wanna get really technical, the book Enoch was widely used back then and in fact it is still in use to this day but the thing is it actually explains who Jesus is and thus is why the Catholic church decided against it... And I know everyone will discount it because it was not written by Enoch but handed down by verbal account... And Christ means anointed bot God and bit a name of Jesus but a title... Also means chosen one as well, but hey its all good...

Lonnie,

You come to our forum, with beliefs that are not Christian beliefs. You don't believe in the Christ of the Bible, therefore you believe in a false Christ. You are not a Christian. Just like a Mormon, or Muslim, or Hindu, or anyone else that believes Christ existed, but isn't God.

We are treating your beliefs with a lack of respect, because your beliefs are not biblical.

If you are going to stay here, you need to understand that. The Bible says that the only way someone has eternal life, is by believing in The Jesus of the Bible. If you don't like your unbiblical beliefs criticized, go somewhere else.
I really couldn't care less, if your feelings are hurt. Your belief in a false Christ is leading you straight to an eternity in hell.

I'd rather offend you, if it gets you to trust in the only one who can save you.

PaulSacramento · Post by **PaulSacramento** » Wed Dec 04, 2019 10:54 am

LonnieOwesn1973 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 10:25 am
PaulSacramento wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 10:21 am
LonnieOwesn1973 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 10:12 am
PaulSacramento wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:31 am You believe that Jesus is the Son of God, so what does that make Jesus?
The Son of God
Not WHO, WHAT.
Is He just a Human?
He is the Son of God... At no time did he ever claime to be divine or a God...

So, what is He? Human?

PaulSacramento · Post by **PaulSacramento** » Wed Dec 04, 2019 10:55 am

And by the way, you had multiple responses to your question about Matthew 27:46

PaulSacramento · Post by **PaulSacramento** » Wed Dec 04, 2019 10:56 am

LonnieOwesn1973 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 10:27 am How about Luke 23:46???

What about it ??

DBowling · Post by **DBowling** » Wed Dec 04, 2019 11:53 am

LonnieOwesn1973 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2019 10:25 am At no time did he ever claime to be divine or a God...

And you continue to perpetuate a false narrative
Here are the Scriptures that directly contradict your false statement

*** copy/paste ***
Matthew 12:8
"For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.”
Lord of the Sabbath = Yahweh = God
John 8:58
Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!”
I AM = Yahweh = God

Again... if you claim to honor Jesus and Scripture, then you need to quit making assertions that are contradicted by Jesus and Scripture.

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