Percentage Wearing a Mask Protects Against Covid

[RickD]

Record deaths and new cases surging - hey, here's an executive decision from Disney in Florida:

https://www.wistv.com/2020/07/11/disney ... e-florida/

To be clear - I have no problem with re-opening. But the stupid just don't seem to get it - and many of them WILL! The problem is that so many people don't think it's a thing to even be concerned about.

The numbers for “record deaths and new cases surging” is misleading at best. Hospitals have not been differentiating between people who die from Covid-19, and those who die with Covid-19. Hospitals are getting govt funding for patients admitted FOR Covid-19, and for deaths listed as caused from Covid-19.

And secondly, here in Florida, the testing process is speeding up, and far more people are being tested. More positive test results does not necessarily equal more people with the virus. Some who weren’t tested before, but were infected, are now being tested.

The only way to see if this pandemic is getting worse, would be to see if the deaths per 1000 in a population, CAUSED BY COVID-19 is going up. And as has already been said, we know the death rate is being exaggerated.

[RickD]

It would be interesting to know, of those that have died that were young, healthy, and without any significant immune issues - how cavalier and careless were they about social distance and using masks in close public situations. Cause those people - now dead and gone, sure aren't a figment of our imaginations or mere paranoia! I have auto-immune issues, so I lean toward reasonable cautions. Yes, they're a bit inconvenient - so what.

Then let’s see some numbers of young and otherwise healthy people with no underlying conditions, that have died from Covid-19.

And I’m not talking about a young child who goes to the hospital for a car accident, gets a positive test for Covid-19, while in the hospital, dies from his accident injuries, and the COD is listed as Covid-19.

Don’t think this dishonesty is actually happening?

A nurse in my hospital said that when a patient gets admitted, they are given a coronavirus test. Not a specific test for the Covid-19 coronavirus, but a generic coronavirus test. If that patient tests positive for any coronavirus, that patient is admitted as a coronavirus patient, pending verification of a Covid-19 positive test, REGARDLESS of the reason why the patient went to the hospital.

All this dishonesty and greed just fuels the paranoia.

[RickD]

But, if herd immunity turns out to be unattainable, then the future vaccine they’re going to push on us, will be useless.

Or the vaccine would either require a booster or two to be fully effective, or be an annual shot like we have now for the flu. In that instance we'd have good years, where the vaccine lined up well with the most prevalent strains of the virus, and bad years where it missed and lots of people got sick. That would be very bad, because Covid-19 is much more dangerous than the flu.

I’ll pass on an untested vaccine that hasn’t been proven to be safe. Or even proven to be less of a risk than the virus itself.

And again, there’s no consensus that the flu shot is even worth the health risk, nevermind if it’s even effective, especially for healthy people.

[edwardmurphy]

Infection rates are exploding, and it's not just because we're testing more. In Dade County Florida they're seeing 30%+ of their tests come back positive. Numbers are going up because in some places people stopped trying to contain the virus, and now more people are getting sick. Death rates aren't as high as they were in April and May, but they're trending up. It could wind up being that the rates stay relatively low, perhaps because younger people are getting sick and surviving and because doctors have learned how to treat the disease better, but it's also entirely possible that we're still in the 2-3 week lag and things are about to go completely to hell.

[RickD]

Infection rates are exploding, and it's not just because we're testing more. In Dade County Florida they're seeing 30%+ of their tests come back positive. Numbers are going up because in some places people stopped trying to contain the virus, and now more people are getting sick. Death rates aren't as high as they were in April and May, but they're trending up. It could wind up being that the rates stay relatively low, perhaps because younger people are getting sick and surviving and because doctors have learned how to treat the disease better, but it's also entirely possible that we're still in the 2-3 week lag and things are about to go completely to hell.

“Experts” have already said that there may be a large percent of positive patients that are asymptomatic. So, while many more people are being tested, unless they’re being tested because they’re sick, the large percentage of positives(if accurate) isn’t necessarily a cause for concern. If more people are getting sick and dying, that’s a concern.

It’s a very difficult situation, with such a new virus. New info is being learned every day.

[Fliegender]

So I’ll take that as a “no, I have no evidence of what I just claimed.”

Thanks for clearing it up.

Paranoia is running amok with this virus. It’s bordering on insanity.

I’m certainly not paranoid about this virus. I really don’t care one way or another but I do recognize that there’s a risk to public health. And I’m not claiming anything. I’m just passing on the latest thinking on COVID-19 by virologists and public health officials. You may choose to consider their informed opinion or...you may decide to agree with that Einstein in high office, Mr Everything’s-Just-Fantastic-Trump

Keep towing the Party line...

[Fliegender]

Infection rates are exploding, and it's not just because we're testing more. In Dade County Florida they're seeing 30%+ of their tests come back positive. Numbers are going up because in some places people stopped trying to contain the virus, and now more people are getting sick. Death rates aren't as high as they were in April and May, but they're trending up. It could wind up being that the rates stay relatively low, perhaps because younger people are getting sick and surviving and because doctors have learned how to treat the disease better, but it's also entirely possible that we're still in the 2-3 week lag and things are about to go completely to hell.

Yes, infection rates are exploding and with the attitude of many Americans towards this situation things should get worse. This site offers daily updates on the pandemic throughout the world:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Click on the link and you’ll see that the USA is in first place for infections and deaths related to COVID-19.

I had to laugh when I saw a newspaper photograph of a woman dressed in the flag and holding a sign that read,

SOCIAL DISTANCING = SOCIALISM

...with that kind of brilliant deduction, the USA should maintain its First Place on the worldometers site for a looooooog time.

[RickD]

So I’ll take that as a “no, I have no evidence of what I just claimed.”

Thanks for clearing it up.

Paranoia is running amok with this virus. It’s bordering on insanity.

I’m certainly not paranoid about this virus. I really don’t care one way or another but I do recognize that there’s a risk to public health. And I’m not claiming anything. I’m just passing on the latest thinking on COVID-19 by virologists and public health officials. You may choose to consider their informed opinion or...you may decide to agree with that Einstein in high office, Mr Everything’s-Just-Fantastic-Trump

Keep towing the Party line...

I try to consider all informed opinions. That’s how I learn. And it’s really quite odd that we can’t disagree on this without you claiming I’m following what Trump says.

Honestly, I don’t even listen to him. I can’t listen to more than about 5 seconds before I get frustrated with the way he speaks. He’s the only president that I can remember, who twists things to make them about himself.

Why make claims, tell me I’m wrong, then backtrack and claim that you’re passing along what public health official and virologists are saying? You do realize that there’s no consensus among doctors, don’t you?

Fliegender wrote:
Click on the link and you’ll see that the USA is in first place for infections and deaths related to COVID-19.

I can’t believe people are still holding stock in this. THE NUMBERS ARE MISLEADING!

[Fliegender]

So I’ll take that as a “no, I have no evidence of what I just claimed.”

Thanks for clearing it up.

Paranoia is running amok with this virus. It’s bordering on insanity.

I’m certainly not paranoid about this virus. I really don’t care one way or another but I do recognize that there’s a risk to public health. And I’m not claiming anything. I’m just passing on the latest thinking on COVID-19 by virologists and public health officials. You may choose to consider their informed opinion or...you may decide to agree with that Einstein in high office, Mr Everything’s-Just-Fantastic-Trump

Keep towing the Party line...

I try to consider all informed opinions. That’s how I learn. And it’s really quite odd that we can’t disagree on this without you claiming I’m following what Trump says.

Honestly, I don’t even listen to him. I can’t listen to more than about 5 seconds before I get frustrated with the way he speaks. He’s the only president that I can remember, who twists things to make them about himself.

Why make claims, tell me I’m wrong, then backtrack and claim that you’re passing along what public health official and virologists are saying? You do realize that there’s no consensus among doctors, don’t you?

Well, sorry. I thought you were a Trumpophile. My sincerest apologies. Dr Mary Trump just wrote a book about her uncle. It ain’t flattering... Trumpophiles will dismiss the author.

I didn’t make a claim. I said “current thinking”. Scroll up and read it again. It used to be “current thinking” that masks were ineffective in the fight against COVID-19. Now, even Trump and Bolsonaro (the Brazilian Trump) say masks are good to wear. These two eminent know-it-alls have changed their tune, and so have people with real knowledge and real training come to the opinion that this corona virus may not produce lasting immunity in infected people. They didn’t come to this opinion out of thin air but through observation of patients who appeared to fall ill a second time. No study has yet been conducted because the world is in the middle of the problem, so asking for “evidence” is just ...grandstanding.

[RickD]

So I’ll take that as a “no, I have no evidence of what I just claimed.”

Thanks for clearing it up.

Paranoia is running amok with this virus. It’s bordering on insanity.

I’m certainly not paranoid about this virus. I really don’t care one way or another but I do recognize that there’s a risk to public health. And I’m not claiming anything. I’m just passing on the latest thinking on COVID-19 by virologists and public health officials. You may choose to consider their informed opinion or...you may decide to agree with that Einstein in high office, Mr Everything’s-Just-Fantastic-Trump

Keep towing the Party line...

I try to consider all informed opinions. That’s how I learn. And it’s really quite odd that we can’t disagree on this without you claiming I’m following what Trump says.

Honestly, I don’t even listen to him. I can’t listen to more than about 5 seconds before I get frustrated with the way he speaks. He’s the only president that I can remember, who twists things to make them about himself.

Why make claims, tell me I’m wrong, then backtrack and claim that you’re passing along what public health official and virologists are saying? You do realize that there’s no consensus among doctors, don’t you?

Well, sorry. I thought you were a Trumpophile. My sincerest apologies. Dr Mary Trump just wrote a book about her uncle. It ain’t flattering... Trumpophiles will dismiss the author.

I didn’t make a claim. I said “current thinking”. Scroll up and read it again. It used to be “current thinking” that masks were ineffective in the fight against COVID-19. Now, even Trump and Bolsonaro (the Brazilian Trump) say masks are good to wear. These two eminent know-it-alls have changed their tune, and so have people with real knowledge and real training come to the opinion that this corona virus may not produce lasting immunity in infected people. They didn’t come to this opinion out of thin air but through observation of patients who appeared to fall ill a second time. No study has yet been conducted because the world is in the middle of the problem, so asking for “evidence” is just ...grandstanding.

Of course you made a claim! I said:

As I understand it, once one builds an immunity to a particular strain, one cannot get that same strain again. So, does your wife normally wear masks during flu season?

And you said I was wrong. I’ve yet to see any evidence that people can get the same strain of a virus once they’ve built an immunity to it.

[Fliegender]

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Of course you made a claim! I said:

As I understand it, once one builds an immunity to a particular strain, one cannot get that same strain again. So, does your wife normally wear masks during flu season?

And you said I was wrong. I’ve yet to see any evidence that people can get the same strain of a virus once they’ve built an immunity to it.

Hahaha...you’re splitting hairs. You may not be a Trumpophile but you seem to be reasoning like that lady dressed in the flag.

Whatever...the current thinking is that immunity to COVID-19 may be temporary. This means that if you got it once, you could get it again at a later date. Period. This virus might - might - be like the chickenpox virus: if you get chickenpox as a child, the virus is always with you and may - may - reactivate in your fifties as shingles. COVID-19 could be like the chickenpox/shingles virus, or it could be like the cold viruses. The point is if you think you’re immune because you got it, you’re likely wrong.

So wearing a mask and social distancing are effective preventative measures. And just to allay your fears, there’s no danger of being infected by socialism either when protecting yourself against COVID-19.

[RickD]

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Of course you made a claim! I said:

As I understand it, once one builds an immunity to a particular strain, one cannot get that same strain again. So, does your wife normally wear masks during flu season?

And you said I was wrong. I’ve yet to see any evidence that people can get the same strain of a virus once they’ve built an immunity to it.

Hahaha...you’re splitting hairs. You may not be a Trumpophile but you seem to be reasoning like that lady dressed in the flag.

Whatever...the current thinking is that immunity to COVID-19 may be temporary. This means that if you got it once, you could get it again at a later date. Period. This virus might - might - be like the chickenpox virus: if you get chickenpox as a child, the virus is always with you and may - may - reactivate in your fifties as shingles. COVID-19 could be like the chickenpox/shingles virus, or it could be like the cold viruses. The point is if you think you’re immune because you got it, you’re likely wrong.

So wearing a mask and social distancing are effective preventative measures. And just to allay your fears, there’s no danger of being infected by socialism either when protecting yourself against COVID-19.

Actually, current thinking is that it’s just not known at this time, if one can contract Covid-19 more than once.

I’m not sure what contracting socialism has to do with Covid-19, but maybe Canada has a different strain, where the govt steals money from those with the virus.

We don’t know if herd immunity will work with Covid-19, either.

And if the “current thinking” is correct, and the virus is mutating, the vaccine that will be pushed on us may not do anything.

[Philip]

A rather dumb argument, IMHO.

[RickD]

A rather dumb argument, IMHO.

People's lives are in chaos. The economy was shut down, and people lost their jobs, and business owners lost their businesses. Some spent their life savings, only to lose it all.

I guess some people think it’s important enough to discuss.

Personally, my wife lost work, and mine has been cut. But we saved money, and we're doing ok for now.

[Fliegender]

A dumb discussion if there ever was one. There are readily available preliminary studies of this virus available on the web for those who won’t stick their head in the sand. The studies are from the U.K....a socialist nation to American ideologues so maybe these studies are nothing but socialist jumbo jumbo...



...gawd, you guys are hoodwinked by your own propaganda machine! Meanwhile, the USA registers 60,000+ new cases of COVID-19 per day. This is over 25% of all new cases worldwide.

I enjoy watching The Donald’s disciples explain all of this away. It’s entertaining!