The US NEVER Went To The Moon

[Stu]

I am very content for anyone to try this out and see for themselves who is telling the truth and who is lying.

Here are some examples
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_TpeNZYTmw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70nZ4n_l9ao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzSmWyZbexc

And since we are in the internet age when people from all over the world have access to this site.
When it is 12:00 noon in Detroit it is also 12:00 midnight in Perth.
At the very same time that the sun is high in the sky in Detroit it is midnight in Perth and the sun is nowhere to be seen.
Just another of many many many evidences that flat earth is a lie.

I see you made zero comment on the pictures I put up. Head in the sand?

No... there was nothing there to comment on...
There are multiple photos and videos from space that show the earth is a globe and your false comments are irrelevant.

I believe it is much more effective to simply point to truth than to get in the weeds trying to rebut every false assertion that someone might make.

If you want to see a boat or ship go over the horizon, I am happy to show video of boats going over the horizon.
If you want to see photos of what the earth looks like from space I am happy to point to photos of earth from space.
If you want to know proofs that the earth is not flat I will gladly point to links with proofs that anyone can verify for themslelf.

I believe spending time pointing to the truth is more effective than spending time rebutting lies.

Sorry but that is absolute nonsense, and NOT how science works.

If you are correct, then you should be able to point to a legitimate scientific organization or entity that supports your 'flat earth' assertions.
However, your assertions are repeatedly in direct conflict with REAL science, which is why this thread has shown that you don't understand science.

BTW...
You have not yet attempted to explain how the sun could be high in the sky in Detroit at the same time it is midnight and totally dark in Perth if the earth is flat.

You aren't interested in my answers unless they parrot yours, it will make no difference what I say or show you you will dismiss them with the wave of hand like you did everything else I posted.
Not at all what I expected from a forum that is supposed to be about science and Christianity.

[RickD]

Last time I checked, facepalms do not equal repudiation of an argument
Rather it shows the lack of one.

A simple google search will show you that all of your points have been shown to be false. Trying to convince a flat earther that his beliefs are outside of reality, is like trying to convince a schizophrenic that his radio is not talking to him.

[Stu]

Last time I checked, facepalms do not equal repudiation of an argument
Rather it shows the lack of one.

A simple google search will show you that all of your points have been shown to be false. Trying to convince a flat earther that his beliefs are outside of reality, is like trying to convince a schizophrenic that his radio is not talking to him.

Much hand waving continues.... it's like debating with a militant atheist, all an argument from authority.
And this despite the fact that people like Heiser and the Hebrews believed the Bible taught a flat earth.

[DBowling]

BTW...

You have not yet attempted to explain how the sun could be high in the sky in Detroit at the same time it is midnight and totally dark in Perth if the earth is flat.

You aren't interested in my answers unless they parrot yours, it will make no difference what I say or show you you will dismiss them with the wave of hand like you did everything else I posted.

No... I dismiss them with evidence...

When you falsely claim the earth is flat, I present multiple photos from multiple sources that show the earth is a globe.
That is evidence.

When you falsely claim that the bottoms of ships don't disappear first when they go over the horizon, I present multiple videos that show ships and boats going over the horizon.
That is evidence.

What you choose to do with the evidence is of course your choice.

Not at all what I expected from a forum that is supposed to be about science and Christianity.

And I would not expect to see the flat earth lie being perpetuated in a forum about God and Science
Flat Earth is not Science
Flat Earth is not Christian
Flat Earth is a Lie

And One More Time...
If the earth is flat... how the sun could be high in the sky in Detroit at the same time it is midnight and totally dark in Perth?

[RickD]

Last time I checked, facepalms do not equal repudiation of an argument
Rather it shows the lack of one.

A simple google search will show you that all of your points have been shown to be false. Trying to convince a flat earther that his beliefs are outside of reality, is like trying to convince a schizophrenic that his radio is not talking to him.

Much hand waving continues.... it's like debating with a militant atheist, all an argument from authority.
And this despite the fact that people like Heiser and the Hebrews believed the Bible taught a flat earth.

Again, another lie.
https://drmsh.com/christians-who-believ ... than-this/


From Heiser’s link:

My position is straightforward. The biblical writers do indeed describe a flat round earth (with other features the flat earthers skip; see below). They wrote about the world this way because they lived at a time before knowledge of the natural world was sufficient to demonstrate otherwise. But I don’t believe the earth is really flat “because the Bible tells me so.” The knowledge the biblical writers had of their physical surroundings isn’t a truth proposition for biblical theology. Anyone who uses my work to prop up this idea without providing a disclaimer that I reject modern flat earth thinking is unprincipled and deliberately dishonest.

[Stu]

Last time I checked, facepalms do not equal repudiation of an argument
Rather it shows the lack of one.

A simple google search will show you that all of your points have been shown to be false. Trying to convince a flat earther that his beliefs are outside of reality, is like trying to convince a schizophrenic that his radio is not talking to him.

Much hand waving continues.... it's like debating with a militant atheist, all an argument from authority.
And this despite the fact that people like Heiser and the Hebrews believed the Bible taught a flat earth.

Again, another lie.
https://drmsh.com/christians-who-believ ... than-this/


From Heiser’s link:

My position is straightforward. The biblical writers do indeed describe a flat round earth (with other features the flat earthers skip; see below). They wrote about the world this way because they lived at a time before knowledge of the natural world was sufficient to demonstrate otherwise. But I don’t believe the earth is really flat “because the Bible tells me so.” The knowledge the biblical writers had of their physical surroundings isn’t a truth proposition for biblical theology. Anyone who uses my work to prop up this idea without providing a disclaimer that I reject modern flat earth thinking is unprincipled and deliberately dishonest.

That just shows how incapable of a logical and honest debate you are.
I never said Heiser believes in flat earth I said that he believes that is what the BIBLE teaches, he just chooses to not believe what the Bible teaches.

[Stu]

BTW...

You have not yet attempted to explain how the sun could be high in the sky in Detroit at the same time it is midnight and totally dark in Perth if the earth is flat.

You aren't interested in my answers unless they parrot yours, it will make no difference what I say or show you you will dismiss them with the wave of hand like you did everything else I posted.

No... I dismiss them with evidence...

When you falsely claim the earth is flat, I present multiple photos from multiple sources that show the earth is a globe.
That is evidence.

When you falsely claim that the bottoms of ships don't disappear first when they go over the horizon, I present multiple videos that show ships and boats going over the horizon.
That is evidence.

What you choose to do with the evidence is of course your choice.

Not at all what I expected from a forum that is supposed to be about science and Christianity.

And I would not expect to see the flat earth lie being perpetuated in a forum about God and Science
Flat Earth is not Science
Flat Earth is not Christian
Flat Earth is a Lie

And One More Time...
If the earth is flat... how the sun could be high in the sky in Detroit at the same time it is midnight and totally dark in Perth?

You like pictures to prove a point. Ok then let's take these two NASA photos, do you understand that these are photos taken by NASA.

Do you see the problem with them??? The one taken at 1,000,000 miles is larger than the one taken at 238,000 miles. Do you understand what that means??? Go look on NASA's website you will find them.

This is IMPOSSIBLE. Do you understand that. In other words NASA's pictures are entirely questionable as being the truth.




Want more proof. More NASA pictures.

Look at the clouds, they are EXACTLY the same in the 1978 picture of earth as the 2017 picture of earth. Look. That is not possible at all. Again these are NASA pictures.

Explain to me scientifically how any of this is possible. Again these are NASA pictures. And this goes out to Rick as well.

[Stu]

BTW...

You have not yet attempted to explain how the sun could be high in the sky in Detroit at the same time it is midnight and totally dark in Perth if the earth is flat.

You aren't interested in my answers unless they parrot yours, it will make no difference what I say or show you you will dismiss them with the wave of hand like you did everything else I posted.

No... I dismiss them with evidence...

When you falsely claim the earth is flat, I present multiple photos from multiple sources that show the earth is a globe.
That is evidence.

When you falsely claim that the bottoms of ships don't disappear first when they go over the horizon, I present multiple videos that show ships and boats going over the horizon.
That is evidence.

What you choose to do with the evidence is of course your choice.

Not at all what I expected from a forum that is supposed to be about science and Christianity.

And I would not expect to see the flat earth lie being perpetuated in a forum about God and Science
Flat Earth is not Science
Flat Earth is not Christian
Flat Earth is a Lie

And One More Time...
If the earth is flat... how the sun could be high in the sky in Detroit at the same time it is midnight and totally dark in Perth?

Ok fine, I'll answer your question. Maybe you'll answer mine for a change.

The flat earth map is different and once you see it the answer to your question is quite obvious. And before you say, oh well, guess what, the United Nations uses the flat earth map as their logo. Look it up.




United Nations logo.

[DBowling]

And One More Time...
If the earth is flat... how the sun could be high in the sky in Detroit at the same time it is midnight and totally dark in Perth?

You like pictures to prove a point. Ok then let's take these two NASA photos, do you understand that these are photos taken by NASA.

Yes

Do you see the problem with them???

I see that there is no problem

The one taken at 1,000,000 miles is larger than the one taken at 238,000 miles. Do you understand what that means???

Yes... it means that the photos have a different magnification

Look at the clouds, they are EXACTLY the same in the 1978 picture of earth as the 2017 picture of earth.

I agree those are the same picture
I have no reason to believe they are different pictures.

That said, there are thousands and thousands of pictures and videos from different satellites, spacecraft, space stations, countries, organizations, times, etc... that all consistently show that the earth is a globe. There is not a single photo or image from space that shows the earth is flat.
The evidence from thousands of photos and videos is indisputable evidence in and of itself that our planet is a globe... totally independent from all the other evidences that I have already pointed out.


And Yet Again...
If the earth is flat... how could the sun be high in the sky in Detroit at the same time it is midnight and totally dark in Perth?
Your 'map' still doesn't explain how it can be totally bright on one part of a flat surface and totally dark on another part of the same flat surface.

[RickD]

Stu wrote:
That just shows how incapable of a logical and honest debate you are.
I never said Heiser believes in flat earth I said that he believes that is what the BIBLE teaches, he just chooses to not believe what the Bible teaches.

He does not believe the Bible teaches a flat earth. He said in the link, that the Bible teaches a flat and round earth. Your insinuation that he believes the Bible teaches a flat earth, AS FLAT EARTHERS BELIEVE, is not accurate. Just read the article.

[RickD]

DBowling wrote:
And Yet Again...
If the earth is flat... how could the sun be high in the sky in Detroit at the same time it is midnight and totally dark in Perth?
Your 'map' still doesn't explain how it can be totally bright on one part of a flat surface and totally dark on another part of the same flat surface.

I read the explanation for this by a flat earther. I kid you not, the claim is that the sun acts like a spotlight, focusing the light on one area at a time.

And here’s another explanation:
https://wiki.tfes.org/Flat_Earth_-_Freq ... is_flat.3F

About halfway down the page, you’ll see a day/night cycle picture. Notice that the diagram shows a sun and moon on opposite sides, rotating around the North Pole of the flat earth. I’m not sure how it is supposed to account for lunar cycles, if the sun is always opposite the moon, and the earth isn’t in between the two.

[RickD]

Stu,

Explain how on a flat surface, such as the flat earth, how it can be completely dark on one part, and complete daylight with the sun directly above another part, AT EXACTLY THE SAME TIME!

You have to see the absolute absurdity of this!

[DBowling]

For a quick moment I'm going to try to give the benefit of the doubt regarding the motivations of those who perpetuate the flat earth lie.

I don't think anyone could possibly be persuaded by science alone that the earth is flat.
I think the real issue is that some people who revere Scripture become convinced (incorrectly) that the Bible teaches that the Earth is Flat.
And based on their (mis)understanding of what Scripture says, they embrace fallacious argumentation and conspiracy theories regarding what Science demonstrates about the shape of the earth.

So lets try to get to the real heart of the issue.
Does Scripture really claim that the earth is flat?
The short answer is ... No it doesn't

For longer, more detailed answers, here are some good Christian links that discuss this issue.
1. From Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry
What is the flat earth theory? Is it true and is it biblical?
https://carm.org/about-science/what-is- ... -biblical/

2. From Reasons to Believe
Is the Bible a Flat-Earth Book?
https://reasons.org/explore/publication ... earth-book

3. From Got Questions
Does the Bible teach that the earth is flat?
https://www.gotquestions.org/flat-earth-Bible.html

[RickD]

Stu,

I’d like to hear your critique of this video:

[Fliegender]

This topic reminds me of Rick D. telling us that Covid vaccines were dangerous.

Show my quote where I said Covid vaccines are dangerous. And when you can’t produce the quote where I said Covid vaccines are dangerous, then I expect a retraction and apology.

There’s probably no place where you come out and actually say the vaccine is dangerous. You just deviously suggested there was a significant problem with the vaccines. You missed your calling! You could have been a great lia lawyer.

Mr Stew here doesn’t have your talent.