Yes, it makes no sense, because it’s not analogous to eternal life. Using your example, a better analogy would be this:Claysmithr wrote:
Eternal life is still eternal whether or not you accept it.
Let's say someone says if you have faith you will get an eternal diamond [and for the sake of argument it is eternal]... you can forfeit that eternal diamond by saying you don't want it anymore, throw it away, and reject it.
Then someone could say, do you have that eternal diamond? And then you say that you rejected it.
Then they would say, well it must not ever been an eternal diamond, because if you rejected it then it must not have ever been eternal.
See how that argument makes no sense?
Let's say someone says if you have faith you will possess a diamond for eternity. You can forfeit that eternal diamond by saying you don't want it anymore, try to throw it away, and reject it.
Then someone could say, do you have that eternal diamond? And then you say that you rejected it.
Then they would say, well it must not ever been an eternal diamond, because if you rejected it then it must not have ever been eternal.
You cannot possess a diamond for eternity, if it can be taken from you, or given up by you. And that would mean whoever promised you that you would have the diamond for eternity, is a liar.
You are making God into a liar.
Absolutely! And God promises that we are His forever, because of who He is, not because of our performance, or lack of performance.Our eternal life is found in Christ. He is the way, the truth, and the life.
None of us have eternal life outside of our union with Jesus.
I don’t understand what you mean. Please cite scripture for this.Before you had a relationship with Jesus Christ, was he already eternal life, or was he not?
If you could possibly no longer have eternal life, it wasn’t eternal to begin with. I’m not sure that you even realize what eternal life is. Eternal life means that you will live forever. Again, if someone promises me that I will live forever starting immediately, if I believe in something, then there are two possible outcomes if I believe.If you reject Jesus Christ, and you're cut off from Christ, and you no longer have eternal life
1) I do live forever, and the person making the promise is trustworthy
Or
2) somehow I don’t live forever, and the person is a liar
My God is true, despite my failings. His promises are true!
Your god is a liar, who is so weak that he can only keep his promise if you are able to keep from a sin that you say would nullify your god's promise. What a weak, pathetic false god you serve!
I thank God that He keeps his promises to me, despite my failures! He alone is worthy!
If you are referring to John 15:6, you are taking scripture out of context, again, to make it fit your theology. You need to let scripture speak for itself. That passage is not referring to salvation at all. It’s about bearing fruit. You can’t just assume passages are referring to something they’re not, just to fit your theology.Jesus compares us to branches on a tree. Jesus is the tree, and we are the branches. As branches we can either abide in the tree, or be cut off from the tree.
Ephesians 4:30
30 Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
Do you understand what it means to be sealed by the Holy Spirit? It means that God Himself has sealed a believer. And His seal is like a seal of ownership. A believer is forever His, because He has sealed us!