Kenny wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 6:58 am
DBowling wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 2:49 am
According to Wikipedia, science is unable to describe the behavior of the universe during either the Planck Epoch or the singularity that initiated the Big Bang.
Which means the first law of thermodynamics cannot be relied on to accurately describe the behavior of the earliest stages of the formation of our universe.
Science gives us the best information they have at the moment; that’s it! They can’t give us information they do not have. The information you’re looking for here is information science does not have. But that doesn’t justify filling in the gaps left by science with religion or speculation, it’s best to just admit that we don’t know.
It is the scientific community (not religion), that tells us that
science is unable to describe the behavior of the universe during either the Planck Epoch or the singularity that initiated the Big Bang.
Science doesn't know
how matter and energy came into existence, but the Big Bang Theory (not religion) tells us
when matter and energy came into existence.
Who knows, maybe science will someday figure out how matter and energy were created.
Yet again your disagreement is with the scientific understanding of the Big Bang.
DBowling wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 2:49 am It also means that whatever caused the matter and energy of the universe to come into existence by definition is independent from and operates outside of the physical laws of the universe.
Matter and energy came into existence? Again; just more religion or speculation, this has nothing to do with science.
Sure it does...
It is the consensus of the scientific community that Matter and energy came into existence with the Big Bang.
If you don't like the consensus position of the scientific community, that's fine.
But... one more time... your real disagreement is with the consensus position of the scientific community.
I suspect that your disagreement with some aspects of the Bag Bang theory really have nothing to do with science (since you are disputing a scientific consensus).
I have a hunch that the real issue at hand is some of your philosophical presuppositions come into direct conflict with the scientific consensus regarding the Big Bang Theory. So you choose to dismiss the scientific consensus instead of reevaluating some of your philosophical presuppositions.
My philosophical presuppositions have no problem with the a creation event where matter and energy come into existence, so I have no difficulty embracing the Big Bang theory.