Aliens

[Philip]

Actual, physical aliens could not have visited us! Because even technology that could theoretically make spacecraft astonishingly fast could not help them get here. In fact, the faster they could go, the more quickly catastrophic disaster would destroy their craft.

[Stu]

Actual, physical aliens could not have visited us! Because even technology that could theoretically make spacecraft astonishingly fast could not help them get here. In fact, the faster they could go, the more quickly catastrophic disaster would destroy their craft.

Yes that is addressed in the movie, I don't remember the exact quote but it was something along the lines of - if you were travelling at 25% the speed of light and your craft/shield collided with a golf ball size piece of debris it would create an explosion the equivalent of 8 atomic bombs going off at once. And we know how much space debris is out there

[Byblos]

Actual, physical aliens could not have visited us! Because even technology that could theoretically make spacecraft astonishingly fast could not help them get here. In fact, the faster they could go, the more quickly catastrophic disaster would destroy their craft.

Yes that is addressed in the movie, I don't remember the exact quote but it was something along the lines of - if you were travelling at 25% the speed of light and your craft/shield collided with a golf ball size piece of debris it would create an explosion the equivalent of 8 atomic bombs going off at once. And we know how much space debris is out there

But then again, if an alien civilization had the scientific knowledge to travel at impulse speed, it would not surprise me a bit to know they might also have the technology to avoid or destroy anything in their path. After all, what is the point of inventing an unusable (even untestable) travel mode?

And yes, only trekkies (or pretty much anyone with access to google ) know that impulse speed is a quarter light speed.

[1over137]

Or they can use worm holes and avoid travelling at high speed.

[Philip]

Hana: Or they can use worm holes and avoid traveling at high speed.

There is no current scientific evidence that wormholes would make a faster route of travel.

Below is what Hugh Ross of Reasons.org has written about it:

Loopholes Via Wormholes? (This is an outtake from this article: https://www.reasons.org/explore/public ... from-there)

Highly imaginative and technically trained UFO and ETI buffs suggest that advanced aliens may have found a way to use space-time “wormholes” to travel to distant locations in the universe in a relatively short time. On closer examination, however, this idea offers no help at all in solving the distance and time problems.

General relativity says that massive objects distort the curvature of space and time in their vicinity. The greater the mass-density of an object, the greater the degree of space-time curvature it produces in its immediate vicinity. General relativity predicts that when matter becomes sufficiently compressed by its own gravity (as in a black hole), a discrete region of space-time will develop where the curvature becomes infinitely sharp (Figure 1). That is, a singularity (region where the mass density and space curvature become infinite) will develop at the center of the mass concentration.

If a black hole connected to one sheet of space-time in the universe happens to make contact with another black hole connected to a different sheet of space-time, that point of contact may (hypothetically) offer a travel corridor. The point of contact, however, must be singularity to singularity (Figure 2) so that a traveler funneling into the center of one black hole can come into contact with the center of another black hole.

While these so-called wormholes connecting one black hole to another black hole are mathematically possible, one must question the physical practicality (not to mention plausibility) of their use by alien travelers. According to the best-established models for the universe, regions of space that could be connected via wormholes are already close to one another. In other words, the use of a wormhole would offer little time advantage. One cosmic model in which a ten-dimensional space-time sheet bends to make a U (Figure 3) offers the possibility of a significant shortcut through space, but ongoing research has yet to verify the viability of such a model.

And in this video, Hugh Ross expounds further about the impossibility that REAL aliens have been visiting earth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aITwrnl-V0

[Armyman]

This reminds me of the WOW signal. The sheer distance between solar systems makes it so that travel being unlikely. So, radio or other signals are used.

[Armyman]

Does anyone recall the WOW signal? It literally is the best evidence of sapient extraterrestrial life so far. Other explanations don't quite hold water, though strangely it was an one time event.

I think extraterrestrial life is very common. Plus, what exactly is life? Viruses are considered to be in the Grey zone. Self replicating non carbon based highly advanced molecules might exist. Artificial intelligence.
I think though that extraterrestrial life that is sapient, such as humans or elephants, are rare. This earth was blessed in many ways. We are at the right distance in the goldilocks zone, not too much water or land, thick magnetosphere with an ozone layer, Jupiter, and so forth. Then it took life about 3 billion years to get remotely intelligent, and a series of events for half a billion years to get mammals to arise, leading to mankind being able to appear. There is a decent amount of oxygen, in order to make fire which started civilization.

[1over137]

Wow signal, never heard of. I read now that it happened in 1977.
For those who are curious here you can listen to those 72 seconds.

[Philip]

What really matters is not whether God has also created life in other parts of the universe, but that ANY life - and the universe itself - could not exist without Him having created it! As NOTHING comes from nothing and as ALL contingent things require a Source, and as all things of sophisticated designs and astonishingly complex engineering require a powerful and intelligent Designer - whom Christians know as Jesus Christ! And so God may well have created other life in the universe - or NOT - we just can't know for sure. But if there is, it only could come from Him!

So, Jesus is also known from Scripture to be "The Word":

John 1: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word WAS God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.

So, Jesus IS God (as are also the Father and the Holy Spirit - three Persons that ALL make up a Trinity of the ONE God!) and He created all things, long before He ALSO took on human form, being born to His human mother Mary, and He came here to teach us of our need for Him and what He wants of us.

John 1:14: And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son[d] from the Father, full of grace and truth.

And so, through the Big Bang, God began the universe:

Genesis 1:1: In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.

Genesis 1:3: And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.

And thus, Jesus began His Creation of our universe!



Now, did Jesus place life in other parts of the Universe than our humble, little blue planet? Maybe... Or maybe NOT. It's a mystery!

[1over137]

Such a thought: If God created also aliens somewhere, and since God is the same always, does not change, He would also teach those aliens to love, help the needy, etc. So if they come to earth, they would be friendly?

Now, Hugh Ross thinks humans are only people in universe, and the encounters humans had (the real one, not fake one) were spiritual beings mentioned in Bible. Fallen beings.

[Armyman]

Another thing about the WOW signal, is that it traveled pretty had something to do with 1420 mhz. Ordinarily this is an artificial doing.

[Armyman]

Such a thought: If God created also aliens somewhere, and since God is the same always, does not change, He would also teach those aliens to love, help the needy, etc. So if they come to earth, they would be friendly?

Now, Hugh Ross thinks humans are only people in universe, and the encounters humans had (the real one, not fake one) were spiritual beings mentioned in Bible. Fallen beings.

Depends if they sinned or not. We know the bad spirits primarily focus on earth as it is where the image bearers live. Elsewise earth was like one of multiple worlds that simply had life. Again I think sapient life is rare in this universe, but simple life like germs or plants might be very common. Europa, Mars and Venus likely had such at some point.
But earth has the requirements to allow advanced life to be possible, which doesn't seem to be common among planets and star systems we've studied.