Very serious end times scenario question...

[DRDS]

Hello everyone long time no see, it's great to see you all again, up until now I've been doing ok. I've missed interacting with you all and hope to do some more here soon. But anyways considering current events I had a serious but somewhat simple question.

With what is going on with the war if it escalates into a nuclear exchange and wipes out humanity, would that disprove God's existence and Christianity? Since most prophecy experts and teachers have a list on how things will go i.e. one world gov't, antichrist, rapture and so on if humanity got wiped out randomly like this or even per se by a asteroid impact would it disprove, God, the Bible and Christianity?

I'm personally hopeful that it wouldn't it would just mean that all those other verses in Daniel and Revelation were to be interpreted symbolically or that they occurred in the past which is what partial preterism teaches.

So anyway I was going to check with you all what is your take on this? Would it disprove Christianity or would it just show that things were to be properly interpreted in a different way? Plus do you think this type of exchange is likely to occur seeing what we are seeing on the news currently? Thank you all for your time and God bless.

[Frank1984]

At the moment I'm looking more at what's happening at both sides. From what I can tell, Russia is getting weaker and weaker with all of support Ukraine gets. I hope all of this will end soon. Nobody asked for this war!

[Philip]

As for the Endtimes, they will end per GOD'S hands and timing - not man's! He is in perfect control, and we should know this and trust Him! EVERY suggested scenario of how the Endtimes of the Bible will play out, that you've read about, CURRENTLY (at least in the present) has missing and KEY information that makes them unreliable, simply because these key variables, at least for NOW, have been withheld from us. Which means that EVERY suggested Endtimes model must base its accuracy upon SPECULATIONS regarding the missing variables and things that can't currently be known. See the links below, as Bible scholar Dr. Michael Heiser takes us through each Endtimes model, the geo-political players thought to be involved, how things will supposedly go down, etc., and shows the problems and issues with each of them. We know that the Scriptures ARE reliable and true, concerning such future events. But as for how events will actually unfold, their exact timing, and the meanings of the related prophecies, will all become much clearer as that time approaches. But, for now, despite all the books sold, the Christian authors so certain of their various takes on this topic - ALL of the suggested scenarios are filled with considerable speculations upon things that currently require further clarifications before they can be accurately understood.

The links below should now all work! But first, I suggest you read Dr. Heiser's setup concerning the posts below, here: viewtopic.php?p=238809#p238810

http://drmsh.com/why-an-obsession-with- ... e--part-1/

http://drmsh.com/why-an-obsession-with- ... e--part-2/

http://drmsh.com/why-an-obsession-with- ... e--part-3/

http://drmsh.com/why-an-obsession-with- ... e--part-4/

http://drmsh.com/why-an-obsession-with- ... e--part-5/

http://drmsh.com/why-an-obsession-with- ... e--part-6/

http://drmsh.com/why-an-obsession-with- ... e--part-7/

http://drmsh.com/why-an-obsession-with- ... e--part-8/

http://drmsh.com/why-an-obsession-with- ... e--part-9/

http://drmsh.com/why-an-obsession-with- ... --part-10/

http://drmsh.com/why-an-obsession-with- ... --part-11/

http://drmsh.com/why-an-obsession-with- ... --part-12/

http://drmsh.com/why-an-obsession-with- ... --part-13/

http://drmsh.com/why-an-obsession-with- ... --part-14/

http://drmsh.com/why-an-obsession-with- ... --part-15/


And here is another thread you might look at: viewtopic.php?p=252763&hilit=the+beast+ ... on#p252763

[Philip]

Frank1984: At the moment I'm looking more at what's happening at both sides. From what I can tell, Russia is getting weaker and weaker with all of support Ukraine gets. I hope all of this will end soon. Nobody asked for this war!

Welcome to the forum! Tells us a bit about yourself! I see you are not a Christian - do you at least believe in God?

[DRDS]

Philip: Hello, DDRS! LONG time no see! Great to have you back! Didn't you used to be friends with Bippy, on the forum - know how he's doing?

As for the endtimes, they will end per GOD'S hands and timing - not man's! He is in perfect control, and we should know this and trust Him! EVERY suggested scenario of the endtimes you've read about currently has missing and KEY information that makes them unreliable because these key variables, at least for NOW, have been withheld from us. And each model bases its accuracy upon speculations of the missing variables. See the links below, as Bible scholar Dr. Michael Heiser takes us through each endtimes model, the geo-political players, how things will supposedly go down, etc., and shows their problems and issues. How events will actually unfold, and when, and the meanings of the related prophecies will become much clearer as that time approaches. But, for now, despite all the books sold, the Christian authors so certain of their various takes on this topic - are ALL filled with considerable speculations upon things that currently require further clarifications.

Thank you so much for your response. As for Bippy he's doing ok, just got done talking with him. We met here roughly ten years ago and we talk quite often at least once a week on average. I consider him my best friend. Hopefully he will come down and reply to my thread.

[Philip]

DRDS: Thank you so much for your response. As for Bippy he's doing ok, just got done talking with him. We met here roughly ten years ago and we talk quite often at least once a week on average. I consider him my best friend. Hopefully he will come down and reply to my thread.

I really miss the Bipster - what a great guy he is!

[bippy123]

DRDS: Thank you so much for your response. As for Bippy he's doing ok, just got done talking with him. We met here roughly ten years ago and we talk quite often at least once a week on average. I consider him my best friend. Hopefully he will come down and reply to my thread.

I really miss the Bipster - what a great guy he is!

Hey Philip , thanks my friend. I also miss you and everyone here .
It’s been a rough 7 years but this year should be the last year I spend in my car as I turn 55 in July and qualify for senior housing then .

I had a rough time with the second moderna shot and had bad side effects for 3 months after the shot .
They come and go but right now I’ve had them for the last 3 days because of my younger brothers car problems .

The vaccines are rougher then most of the experts are willing to admit . I’ve been working 60+ hours a week so I don’t have much free time right now but hopefully that will all change in July .

Yea me and my bro drds talk often . He’s a very good guy and I’m proud to call him brother .

How you been Philip ?
How’s the gang
How’s Rick the prankster hehe

[DRDS]

Anyways everyone I was still wondering if the world ends soon and ends very randomly and humanity gets wiped out completely does that disprove God, the Bible and Christianity? If not why?

[Philip]

Everyone, the links to the 15-part Heiser series (above) on endtimes obsession have all been fixed. He must have recently changed the URLs on those.

[Philip]

Bippy: Hey Philip , thanks my friend. I also miss you and everyone here .

B I P P Y !!! Man, have I ever missed you around here! Do you still have the same email address - if so, I'll email you!

Philip

[Philip]

DRDS: Anyways everyone I was still wondering if the world ends soon and ends very randomly and humanity gets wiped out completely does that disprove God, the Bible and Christianity? If not why?

Any scenario that goes down that contradicts Scripture isn't going to happen! If you believe that God created this universe and that He is all-powerful and all-knowing, then you should trust that He has controlled what went into His Words to man are exactly what He wanted communicated to us. Not trusting Scripture is like doubting God's attributes and Holiness!

BTW, please let me know of what you think about Heiser's thinking on eschatology!

[DRDS]

Cool! The links are working now going to dive into this. Thanks for posting these Phil!

[1over137]

Hi Bippy, hi DRDS

[bippy123]

Hi Bippy, hi DRDS

Hello my friend how have you been

It’s so awesome to see you all again


How is life treating you my friend ?
I’m just trying to hold on until the end of summer which is when I finally will
Be able to get back into a place of my own again .my other goal is to try and convince my brothers therapist that he needs actual supervision as he has shown time and time again that he can’t take care of himself without it .

These 7 years were some of the toughest years of my life .
I never understood what the purpose was for me being an atheist for 4 years in my early 40’s but I now understand a lot better .

If I hadn’t gone through that time I don’t think I would have appreciated God and my faith like I do now . It is that appreciation that kept me fighting through these last 7 years .

Faith in God is the greatest gift in the universe . With that faith I have no problem scurrying around like a rat trying to find a bathroom in the middle of the night .

[1over137]

Hi Bippy,

Still childless here but still hoping.
Also working on healing myself and getting ready for the next half of my life.

Take care