confused agnostic

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Sat Jan 15, 2005 11:02 am

i am a self confessed agnostic, i would like to believe that there is a god but am yet to be fully convinced. i am trying to conform to the basic 'rules' etc of christianity but it's difficult for me to do so as neither of my parents are religious so i don't really know what i'm doing.
i have a boyfriend and my main priority right now is how intimate am i allowed to get without getting it wrong? have to say that he's curious to know too.

any advice etc??
Fetch

Mastermind · Post by **Mastermind** » Sat Jan 15, 2005 11:10 am

Fetch wrote:i am a self confessed agnostic, i would like to believe that there is a god but am yet to be fully convinced. i am trying to conform to the basic 'rules' etc of christianity but it's difficult for me to do so as neither of my parents are religious so i don't really know what i'm doing.
i have a boyfriend and my main priority right now is how intimate am i allowed to get without getting it wrong? have to say that he's curious to know too.
any advice etc??
Fetch

The rules of Christianity(as I see it) are quite simple:

1: Believe in Christ.
2: Repent(in other words, admit you screw up(we all do), be sorry about it and try your best not to do it again)

Sins are usually twofold. One set is at a higher mental level, the other at a more primal level. Those at primal levels include sex, gluttnoy, and pretty much any other unhealthy obsession. People get too intense about things, and it's usually for the worst. Other sins that fall into this cathegory are murder, rape, stealing etc., as they are all related to self controll. The higher level sins are usually sins of alignmnent. You choose to either align yourself with Good, or align yourself with Evil. Purposefully defying God, worshipping satan, cursing at God, swearing at God, etc. are all a part of this cathegory. The primal level sins are the hardest to overcome, but also the least dangerous. The higher levels are not that difficult to avoid, but falling into one usually guarantees damnation. Of course, there are combinations of the two, but I won't get into that, unless you feel the urge to sacrifice a virgin because Belial commands it or something. :p

About sex, I beleive most people here think sex itself and any close derivatives(like oral sex), should only be done after marriage. So I would assume kissing and touching is what would fall under the "OK" label.

Kurieuo · Post by **Kurieuo** » Sat Jan 15, 2005 9:45 pm

Kissing and touching is called foreplay. Foreplay is what you do before sex. So unless you want to end up having sex, then foreplay shouldn't be done either.

There are many good reasons for why one should save themselves for marriage. But, if one doesn't want to, then they should at least be prepared to take responsibility or any consequences that can follow. Today it seems people want all the fun and pleasure, but no responsibility or undesirable consequences.

What does God think? Well, within Christianity He setup the design for one male to one female. I've heard it said that family is the fundamental building block of all human civilizations, and marriage is what holds such together. Anyway...

Kurieuo.

Mastermind · Post by **Mastermind** » Sat Jan 15, 2005 9:50 pm

You mean all those people that kiss in public also end up having sex on top of the old lady feeding the pigeons or the chef at the restaurant?

While foreplay may lead to sex if you have terrible self control(which you shouldn't), it's a lot better than just trying to resist and end up breaking down and go wild on each other. At any rate, not all kissing has to be pornographically intense.

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Sat Jan 15, 2005 11:07 pm

Just stay away physically from each other until you have to get married because unless your boyfriend is a christian, he is likely to tempt you in times of weakness.

Mastermind · Post by **Mastermind** » Sat Jan 15, 2005 11:09 pm

I have a rather liberal female friend(who is a christian), and she doesn't seem to have that much trouble resisting it. Girls have quite a bit more self control than guys if they set their mind on something.

Kurieuo · Post by **Kurieuo** » Sat Jan 15, 2005 11:27 pm

Mastermind wrote:You mean all those people that kiss in public also end up having sex on top of the old lady feeding the pigeons or the chef at the restaurant?

I think I may have accidentally witness some people almost as bad as this in public...

Kurieuo.

Mastermind · Post by **Mastermind** » Sat Jan 15, 2005 11:31 pm

This reminds me of a "candid camera" show I saw a while back that showed a whole bunch of people caught on camera doing disgusting things with food they were serving. Pizza delivery boy licked the pizza before he rang the bell, some lady spit in the coffee before she gave it to the customer, and the cook having sex on top of a tray of bagels. Then again, these cases are rare. I hope...

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 9:43 am

You guys are all waaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyy to conservative

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 1:38 pm

wow, thanks. have to admit i'm a tad dissapointed, and feeling kinda guilty too.

my boyfriend isn't a christian but he has plenty of respect.
well, guess i'll just have to demand a proposal!!

thanks

Kurieuo · Post by **Kurieuo** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 7:14 pm

erasmus wrote:You guys are all waaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyy to conservative

Bah... I'm not sure what you mean, especially regarding my replies which were simply outlining a clear truth in life. I just applied the law that for every action there is an equal of opposite reaction to real life... If you don't want to suffer some reactions, then it's best not to perform the action. You want to take that risk, fine it's your own life. But at least be educated at to what all the reactions might be, not just physical, but physchological too.

Kurieuo.

Kurieuo · Post by **Kurieuo** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 7:23 pm

Fetch wrote:i am a self confessed agnostic, i would like to believe that there is a god but am yet to be fully convinced. i am trying to conform to the basic 'rules' etc of christianity but it's difficult for me to do so as neither of my parents are religious so i don't really know what i'm doing.

If you are not a Christian, why conform to the basic "rules" of Christianity. What are those basic rules even? Obviously you feel something is wrong about your relationship with your boyfriend, otherwise you wouldn't have felt it on your conscience to post in the first place. However, let me say something. Do you really think you could successfully follow all the basic rules 100%, whatever they may be? If not, then considering God is "fully" righteous, is there any hope that God could accept us, even with one blemish?

Here's something Paul wrote:

“There is no one righteous, not even one; there is no one who understands, no one who seeks God. All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one.”
...
Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin.

But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. (Romans 3:10-12,19-24)

Understand this, and you'll understand the basics of Christianity.

Kurieuo.

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