Did the Government plan 9/11?

[Crucificer]

I was wondering about this for a while. I am highly skeptical of the conspiracy claims that the government was behind 9/11. There's the claim that the pentagon was hit by a missile, and another that the twin towers were brought down by a controlled demolition, which is shown here: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc7.html

While most of them hold little merit, the Controlled Demolition is considered the most controversial of all, it does kind of seem strange.

Also, there's a movie called Loose Change which discusses this, however I don't reccomend it because the film has already been shown to carry much dishonesty and lies which have been debunked.

What do you think?

[Canuckster1127]

I was wondering about this for a while. I am highly skeptical of the conspiracy claims that the government was behind 9/11. There's the claim that the pentagon was hit by a missile, and another that the twin towers were brought down by a controlled demolition, which is shown here: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc7.html

While most of them hold little merit, the Controlled Demolition is considered the most controversial of all, it does kind of seem strange.

Also, there's a movie called Loose Change which discusses this, however I don't reccomend it because the film has already been shown to carry much dishonesty and lies which have been debunked.

What do you think?

Welcome Crucifier.

I think the whole idea that the government planned 9/11 is bunk.

[Gman]

I would agree with this also, it's all bunk...

[FFC]

It is interesting how it collapsed so neatly like all the footage of planned demolitions that we have seen on TV, but what would the point be? We have actual footage of planes hitting the buildings...unless the pilots were old friends of **** Cheney who were at the end of their lives and...............

Edit: What is going on here. I typed in the first name that Mr. Cheney goes by and it made it look like I used an expletive to describe him. lol

[Byblos]

It is interesting how it collapsed so neatly like all the footage of planned demolitions that we have seen on TV, but what would the point be? We have actual footage of planes hitting the buildings...unless the pilots were old friends of **** Cheney who were at the end of their lives and...............

The twin towers were designed to collapse exactly as they did, so as to cause minimal damage to adjacent buildings. A fact that escaped Bin Laden as, by his own admission, he was expecting the towers to fall sideways so that maximum damage is affected. These conspiracy theories are nothing new; most people know what the deal is, though.

[FFC]

It is interesting how it collapsed so neatly like all the footage of planned demolitions that we have seen on TV, but what would the point be? We have actual footage of planes hitting the buildings...unless the pilots were old friends of **** Cheney who were at the end of their lives and...............

The twin towers were designed to collapse exactly as they did, so as to cause minimal damage to adjacent buildings. A fact that escaped Bin Laden as, by his own admission, he was expecting the towers to fall sideways so that maximum damage is affected. These conspiracy theories are nothing new; most people know what the deal is, though.

Wow. I didn't know that. It makes sense though. So they were made to collapse in this kind of Catastrophe or was it a safeguard as it was being constructed?

[Canuckster1127]

It is interesting how it collapsed so neatly like all the footage of planned demolitions that we have seen on TV, but what would the point be? We have actual footage of planes hitting the buildings...unless the pilots were old friends of **** Cheney who were at the end of their lives and...............

The twin towers were designed to collapse exactly as they did, so as to cause minimal damage to adjacent buildings. A fact that escaped Bin Laden as, by his own admission, he was expecting the towers to fall sideways so that maximum damage is affected. These conspiracy theories are nothing new; most people know what the deal is, though.

Wow. I didn't know that. It makes sense though. So they were made to collapse in this kind of Catastrophe or was it a safeguard as it was being constructed?

On of the rules of superstructure architecture is you don't put anything up that you cannot safely take down later. Buildings are put up with a view later as to how they will be demolished.

The Twin Towers were designed to come down the way they did for the safety of the surrounding buildings whether in a catastrophe such as an earthquake or for the eventual time that they would be demolished.

[BGoodForGoodSake]

This is not true, the original designers did not design for the eventual retirement of the building. The way the building collapsed was an unintentional result of the design. The designers in no way shape or form knew this would happen it was a surprise to all.

The reason the building collapsed the way it does is because it did not use the traditional steel skeleton framework which most skyscrapers have used, to support its immense size. Instead the World Trade center employed a steel exoskeleton envelope like structure to give rigidity to the building. This opened up space inside, in an unprecedented manor. An unintended side-effect is that failure in one section would not cause the building to collapse. The entire exoskeleton had to be compromised in order for the building to fail. And that is exactly what occurred when the top floors failed and put undue pressure on the floors below. thus the buildings collapsed straight down.

But this only applies to the "Twin Towers".

Now the original article didn't involve the two main towers. The conspiracy involves 7 World Trade Center. At this point in time the government has yet to release an official report recounting the cause of the collapse of this building.

[AttentionKMartShoppers]

http://jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/

University of Wisconsin prof to teach class on 9/11 as US conspiracy

A dhimmi professor lends respectability to the most paranoid conspiracy theories circulating in the Islamic world. "Investigation Over 9/11 Teachings," from Inside Higher Ed, with thanks to MSG:

Two months before the start of the fall semester, one syllabus at the University of Wisconsin at Madison is getting a very thorough review.

Patrick Farrell, Wisconsin's provost, announced last week that he would review everything about the course “Islam: Religion and Culture,” in light of comments made on a radio show by the instructor, Kevin Barrett. In his remarks, Barrett said that the United States planned the 9/11 attacks as a way to start a war in the Middle East. Barrett also indicated that he planned to share his views during the course this fall.

Barrett, a temporary instructor, received his Ph.D. from Madison in 2004 in African languages, literature and folklore. He has taught one other course at Madison, but it was not about Islam. Barrett is a founder of a group called the Muslim-Jewish-Christian Alliance for 9/11 Truth. On that group's Web site, he elaborates on the views that he discussed on the radio, writing, for example, about the “big lie” of 9/11 and of the “compelling evidence” that the attacks were “an inside job.”...

I don't understand how people believe this stuff...

[godslanguage]

The U.S government created and executed the plot on the twin towers and the pentagon for them to have an excuse to go to war.... I guess. I think that a terrorist would like to hit the building as low as possible so that other buildings and less people will be likely to escape, however, the actual results and attempt were differant in such a manner that nothing else was really damaged but the target itself and there was still plenty of time for people to escape on the lower levels. I don't even think anything smashed into the pentagon, there was an investigation done and supposebly, nobody found any tracks of any planes because the pentagon claimed that the plane first landed on the ground before it hit the pentagon. There were no signs of tracks or anything that proved this.

[Canuckster1127]

The U.S government created and executed the plot on the twin towers and the pentagon for them to have an excuse to go to war.... I guess. I think that a terrorist would like to hit the building as low as possible so that other buildings and less people will be likely to escape, however, the actual results and attempt were differant in such a manner that nothing else was really damaged but the target itself and there was still plenty of time for people to escape on the lower levels. I don't even think anything smashed into the pentagon, there was an investigation done and supposebly, nobody found any tracks of any planes because the pentagon claimed that the plane first landed on the ground before it hit the pentagon. There were no signs of tracks or anything that proved this.

Words mean things.

I live in Washington DC.

I watched the smoke from the pentagon and dealt with the lock-downs in the schools with my children.

I attended memorial services of people in the network of my life who died in this attack. Thankfully no-one I knew personally died, although people I knew were in the pentagon at the time.

You have the right to believe what you like.

In this case you're wrong.

I will never understand why people have the need to create conspiracy theories of this nature. It cheapens the lives of the real people with real lives who died. It hurts the families and loved ones of those who died. It undermines the society and government of a nation.

There is enough evil in this world without participating in the creation of more, no matter how pure your motives.

Those are my thoughts and I hope you're as open to them as you are desirous of yours to be heard.

Bart

[Canuckster1127]

This is not true, the original designers did not design for the eventual retirement of the building. The way the building collapsed was an unintentional result of the design. The designers in no way shape or form knew this would happen it was a surprise to all.

The reason the building collapsed the way it does is because it did not use the traditional steel skeleton framework which most skyscrapers have used, to support its immense size. Instead the World Trade center employed a steel exoskeleton envelope like structure to give rigidity to the building. This opened up space inside, in an unprecedented manor. An unintended side-effect is that failure in one section would not cause the building to collapse. The entire exoskeleton had to be compromised in order for the building to fail. And that is exactly what occurred when the top floors failed and put undue pressure on the floors below. thus the buildings collapsed straight down.

But this only applies to the "Twin Towers".

Now the original article didn't involve the two main towers. The conspiracy involves 7 World Trade Center. At this point in time the government has yet to release an official report recounting the cause of the collapse of this building.

I tried to see if I could find a credible source on the internet to demonstrate what I'm saying and couldn't so you may be right.

I was told this by an architect. Maybe he didn't know what he was saying. I was led to believe that this is a question that is asked of architectural designs particularly in metropolitan areas during the official review process.

If it isn't, I think it should be.

[BGoodForGoodSake]

I tried to see if I could find a credible source on the internet to demonstrate what I'm saying and couldn't so you may be right.

I was told this by an architect. Maybe he didn't know what he was saying. I was led to believe that this is a question that is asked of architectural designs particularly in metropolitan areas during the official review process.

If it isn't, I think it should be.

It would never be practical to implode a building of such large dimentions. The debris which would result would czuse too much damage and expense in clean up costs. There are more traditional deconstruction techniques, implosion is not the only method, infact it's a more recent technique.

[BGoodForGoodSake]

The U.S government created and executed the plot on the twin towers and the pentagon for them to have an excuse to go to war.... I guess. I think that a terrorist would like to hit the building as low as possible so that other buildings and less people will be likely to escape, however, the actual results and attempt were differant in such a manner that nothing else was really damaged but the target itself and there was still plenty of time for people to escape on the lower levels. I don't even think anything smashed into the pentagon, there was an investigation done and supposebly, nobody found any tracks of any planes because the pentagon claimed that the plane first landed on the ground before it hit the pentagon. There were no signs of tracks or anything that proved this.

Don't try to second guess the terrorists especially in hindsight. I think it is quite clear they were trying to cause the buildings to collapse into other buildings, thus they hit it near the top.

The notion that the U.S. government orchestrated this is based on nothing but conjecture. There is no reasonable evidence to support it, only the need for "good stories" allows it to persist. It's a disrespect to the victims of this tragedy to continue to relay the gossip/rumor as fact.

[Byblos]

This is not true, the original designers did not design for the eventual retirement of the building. The way the building collapsed was an unintentional result of the design. The designers in no way shape or form knew this would happen it was a surprise to all.

The reason the building collapsed the way it does is because it did not use the traditional steel skeleton framework which most skyscrapers have used, to support its immense size. Instead the World Trade center employed a steel exoskeleton envelope like structure to give rigidity to the building. This opened up space inside, in an unprecedented manor. An unintended side-effect is that failure in one section would not cause the building to collapse. The entire exoskeleton had to be compromised in order for the building to fail. And that is exactly what occurred when the top floors failed and put undue pressure on the floors below. thus the buildings collapsed straight down.

But this only applies to the "Twin Towers".

Now the original article didn't involve the two main towers. The conspiracy involves 7 World Trade Center. At this point in time the government has yet to release an official report recounting the cause of the collapse of this building.

I tried to see if I could find a credible source on the internet to demonstrate what I'm saying and couldn't so you may be right.

I was told this by an architect. Maybe he didn't know what he was saying. I was led to believe that this is a question that is asked of architectural designs particularly in metropolitan areas during the official review process.

If it isn't, I think it should be.

Same here. I heard it so many times I just took it for granted and never bothered to check it. Thanks Bgood for setting the record straight. And despite the incredible tragedy, I guess thank God they did collapse the way they did.