Lectures by Ken Miller

[JohnClark]

Ken Miller is a well known cell biologist and, more recently, author who advocates evolution while maintaining that it's not incompatible with the Christian faith (Miller himself is a Roman Catholic). I found these two lectures to be both fascinating and thought provoking, and I'm wondering what everyone here thinks of them.

This one is 23 minutes long and is only about irreducible complexity, the points he raises make me inclined to believe his contention that it's not a useful concept. (note: you'll need real player to watch these)
http://www.meta-library.net/perspevo/preskm-frame.html

This one is about an hour and ten minutes long, and is a more general overview of evolution in a addition to a Christian theological perspective on evolution and why it's not neccesarily in conflict with biblical precepts. Again, I find his debunking of flood geology and evidence for evolution to be rather compelling.
http://www.meta-library.net/perspevo/preskm2-frame.html

What are you thoughts on these lectures? Personally they have lead me to seriously question standard knocks on evolution, and I think the question for me has become how to reconcile evolution with Christianity, rather than determining why evolution isn't true.

[Canuckster1127]

Ken Miller is a well known cell biologist and, more recently, author who advocates evolution while maintaining that it's not incompatible with the Christian faith (Miller himself is a Roman Catholic). I found these two lectures to be both fascinating and thought provoking, and I'm wondering what everyone here thinks of them.

This one is 23 minutes long and is only about irreducible complexity, the points he raises make me inclined to believe his contention that it's not a useful concept. (note: you'll need real player to watch these)
http://www.meta-library.net/perspevo/preskm-frame.html

This one is about an hour and ten minutes long, and is a more general overview of evolution in a addition to a Christian theological perspective on evolution and why it's not neccesarily in conflict with biblical precepts. Again, I find his debunking of flood geology and evidence for evolution to be rather compelling.
http://www.meta-library.net/perspevo/preskm2-frame.html

What are you thoughts on these lectures? Personally they have lead me to seriously question standard knocks on evolution, and I think the question for me has become how to reconcile evolution with Christianity, rather than determining why evolution isn't true.

John,

Welcome to the board first of all.

Miller is a pretty well known theistic evolutionist. I haven't listened to the links yet, but I'm familiar with him.

First, I tend to agree with you, that evolution as a science is not necessarily incompatable with Christianity. In fact, evolution is pretty well established science.

Where there is an issue in the mind of many Old Earth Creationists, which is the position I hold, and the position of this board, is with the scenario that sees spontaneous generation and elevation of life from that occurance. There's a pretty broad set of views, but a good number of "us" see progressive creationism where God creatively intervened and created species and then forms of evolution within species take place.

I think Sandy McD is one who could give you some input as she is a theistic evolutionist, which technically is a form of OEC.

Anyway, best I can do on a quick breezeby, but again, welcome and glad you are here.

Bart