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Jesus was literally God's son?

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From http://www.answers.com/topic/names-and-titles-of-jesus:

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Jesus's transfiguration, as depicted in this detail of a Raphael painting, is mentioned in all the synoptic Gospels and Christians have long referred to it as a manifestation of the divine glory of Jesus before the events surrounding his death.

The New Testament frequently refers to Jesus as the son of God; Jesus seldom does, but often refers to God as his father. Christians universally understand this to mean that Jesus was literally God's son.
I must be misinterpreting what these people are saying.

We know that Jesus is not the biological son of God, but what is the difference between being the "literal" son of God and a biological son of God. Biological means sex. How can Jesus be the literal son of God and not the biological son of God?

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Christian2 wrote:How can Jesus be the literal son of God and not the biological son of God?
Immaculate conception?
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Byblos wrote:
Christian2 wrote:How can Jesus be the literal son of God and not the biological son of God?
Immaculate conception?
Like the Qur'an says, "Allah said "Be" and He was."
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Christian2 wrote:
Byblos wrote:
Christian2 wrote:How can Jesus be the literal son of God and not the biological son of God?


Immaculate conception?


Like the Qur'an says, "Allah said "Be" and He was."


I'm not sure how you're relating the two, C2. Can you explain?
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Like the Qur'an says, "Allah said "Be" and He was."
About 2000 years ago Jesus incarnated (became flesh John 1:1), but Jesus was not created by God. He has always existed as the second person of the triune Godhead.
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Byblos wrote:
Christian2 wrote:
Byblos wrote:
Christian2 wrote:How can Jesus be the literal son of God and not the biological son of God?


Immaculate conception?


Like the Qur'an says, "Allah said "Be" and He was."


I'm not sure how you're relating the two, C2. Can you explain?
I mean that God made Mary pregnant by His power and will. The same as the Qur'an says. God wanted it to happen and it did.
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YLTYLT wrote:
Like the Qur'an says, "Allah said "Be" and He was."
About 2000 years ago Jesus incarnated (became flesh John 1:1), but Jesus was not created by God. He has always existed as the second person of the triune Godhead.
Now you see, this IMO is where we get into trouble and it is confusing for people to understand. Jesus' human body was created 2000 years ago.

It was the Word of God that incarnated Jesus that was not created.

Agree? Or no?
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Christian2 wrote:
Byblos wrote:
Christian2 wrote:
Byblos wrote:
Christian2 wrote:How can Jesus be the literal son of God and not the biological son of God?


Immaculate conception?


Like the Qur'an says, "Allah said "Be" and He was."


I'm not sure how you're relating the two, C2. Can you explain?


I mean that God made Mary pregnant by His power and will. The same as the Qur'an says. God wanted it to happen and it did.


Ok, I guess I can agree with that, it doesn't contradict the bible in any way; though I'm still not certain why you're referencing the Qur'an.
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Byblos wrote:
Christian2 wrote:
Byblos wrote:
Christian2 wrote:
Byblos wrote:

Immaculate conception?


Like the Qur'an says, "Allah said "Be" and He was."


I'm not sure how you're relating the two, C2. Can you explain?


I mean that God made Mary pregnant by His power and will. The same as the Qur'an says. God wanted it to happen and it did.


Ok, I guess I can agree with that, it doesn't contradict the bible in any way; though I'm still not certain why you're referencing the Qur'an.
LOL. Probably because I talk to Muslims so much that I have the Qur'an imbedded in my brain.

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I have been lead by an ex-Muslim to understand that the Quran is understood to be the eternal word of God. And if this is true, this seems analogous to Christ who in John 1 is the Word, and who became flesh and dwelt with us as referenced in verse 14.

I would be interested in your comments C2?
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Kurieuo wrote:I have been lead by an ex-Muslim to understand that the Quran is understood to be the eternal word of God. And if this is true, this seems analogous to Christ who in John 1 is the Word, and who became flesh and dwelt with us as referenced in verse 14.

I would be interested in your comments C2?
This is my understanding as well, Kurieuo. The Qur'an is the Word of God (according to the Muslims) made "book." Jesus is the Word of God made man (Jesus).
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...Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers... [4:171]

This is like what you're looking for, I think, in the Qur'an.

The "word" of God means different things. A Christian would say the "Word" is Jesus pbuh, the "word becoming flesh," I suppose. The Qur'an isn't really just the "word become book," as the Qur'an isn't an entity like that. It's the Recitation, the Message for Mankind through Muhammad pbuh.

Say: "If the ocean were ink (wherewith to write out) the words of my Lord, sooner would the ocean be exhausted than would the words of my Lord, even if we added another ocean like it, for its aid." [18:109][/b]
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Aviatrix wrote:...Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers... [4:171]

This is like what you're looking for, I think, in the Qur'an.

The "word" of God means different things. A Christian would say the "Word" is Jesus pbuh, the "word becoming flesh," I suppose. The Qur'an isn't really just the "word become book," as the Qur'an isn't an entity like that. It's the Recitation, the Message for Mankind through Muhammad pbuh.

Say: "If the ocean were ink (wherewith to write out) the words of my Lord, sooner would the ocean be exhausted than would the words of my Lord, even if we added another ocean like it, for its aid." [18:109][/b]
I could say that Jesus was the recitation, the message for mankind--God's Word becoming flesh. Jesus' message was written down by His followers and made into a book.

So, Aviatrix, do Muslims believe that Christians believe that Jesus is the biological son of God? Or not?

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Definitely not! According to Muslims, God can't have a Son, only servants (from what I know of Islam).
The Bible says they were "willingly ignorant". In the Greek, this means "be dumb on purpose". (Kent Hovind)
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Turgonian wrote:Definitely not! According to Muslims, God can't have a Son, only servants (from what I know of Islam).
Turgonian,

I think that there are a lot of Muslims who believe that Christians believe that Jesus is the biological son of God. This is the *impression that I get from reading the Qur'an and the commentaries and from talking to Muslims themselves. They are very, very confused on this issue.

However, Muslims tell me that God does not have a son in any sense of the word, not biological (which Christians would agree) or figuratively or in the sense of relationship which Christians would not agree and neither would the Jews.

*not impression. Some come flat out and say so and so do the commentaries in my Qur'an.

How in heaven did Muslims come to that conclusion except by the Qur'an? God forbid that he should have a wife, as the Qur'an says.

How could Allah have come up with this erroneous idea of what Christians believe? YHVH would have known; Allah did not.
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