I appreciate the effort, but you've simply restated the same problems...
Byblos wrote:'God' is outside of our time and space (and yes, our very existence) and as infinite as the previous universe was to the current one in the multiple and infinite universes theory (unless, of course, you do not subscribe to that theory, in which case you will have a whole other set of problems disproving yet another very popular theory, i.e. the big bang).
Again, if god is outside of time, space and existence... what's left? Something you've just made up? I do 'subscribe' to the parallel universes theory, however, judging by your positing of it in comparison to some deity not be applicable by it, I doubt you are aware of such a theory's implications. You have the set of problems (or rather gaps of knowledge) of explaining how a deity is 'above and beyond' parallel universes. It still rests within an argument from ignorance - I don't know x, therefore y.
The only difference is that the theory of multiple and infinite universes is in the category of a 'nice idea'. 'God', on the other hand, has been known for a few millennia, wrote a best-seller book, and I hear some people contend He came down to earth to teach us a thing or 2 about this life and the one to follow, but very few people believed him. He even suffered, physically died and was resurrected, not just to prove a point, but to entirely take away the burden of proof from you and I and take it upon himself.
First, explain to me how 'god' doesn't fit the description of simply a 'nice idea'.
The concept of the Hindu deities have been around much longer than the concept of the Jewish or Christian deities... do they hold more weight or value in belief? We still have Aesop's Fables - do they hold more prevalence than the Bible since it's been around longer? I don't see the purpose of pointing out how long something has been around in a means to help justify it... Also, I understand that it was men who actually wrote the Bible.. just as I understand you are to accept someone else's word that they were inspired by the deity they wrote about.
Now, the story of Jesus in the Bible is certainly an interesting one. We are to believe that god sent himself down to earth to sacrifice himself to himself because it was the only way he could convince himself to forgive us all for being sinful beings... And what is sin? Sin is doing what god does not want you to do which basically means that god gave us free will but gets upset when we use it, calls it sin and has to bleed on a cross to make things better. That, of course, is paraphrasing.. but for the most part, that almost sums up this core doctrine in Christianity... do correct me if I am wrong about this. A bloody, sadistic human sacrifice somehow makes everything better... It actually reminds me of reading about other ancient traditions and religions around the time and before the story of jesus came around, but we can get into that a later if you'll indulge it further.
Now there's ample historical, archiological, geographical (and every other kind of '...ical' you can think of) proof for that but then again, people tend to see what their five senses can discern (i.e. only what they want to see).
But, unfortunately, not ample logical proof. There is, on the other hand, plenty of historical, archaeological, geographical (and every other kind of '....ical', yes - including logical - you can think of) proof that Christianity is a product of Jewish, Egyptian, Zoroastrian, and Hellenistic mythologies, beliefs and traditions, but people tend to see what they've been indoctrinated with and usually choose not to study such origins of what and why they believe to be true.
Besides, to claim He exists because He is the supreme cause is to imply that He exists for the sake of us, and we know that's not true...
You guys have a go.
