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I have been studying Biblical Astronomy for many years so I thought I would shed some light on what I believe is (possible) evidence for Biblical Astronomy. Before we begin I want to make it crystal clear that in no way do I think that the Bible teaches astrology. What we can learn from the constellations is merely the story of our redemption written in the stars to proclaim the glory of God. This theme appears to be supported in scripture as well.. In fact, there even appears to be a Hebrew zodiac associating with the twelve constellations which also represents the twelve tribes of Israel. Interesting the number twelve, huh? Twelve constellations, twelve tribes, twelve months, twelve hours, twelve inches (a foot), etc...

The Jewish Evidence

1. Jewish Sibylline Oracles 5:512-531.
2. Dead Sea Scrolls 4Qcryptic and 4Q186.
3. Archeologists found the signs of the zodiac on the Jewish synagogue floors of locations Hammat Tiberias, Beit Alpha, Ussfiyeh, Sepphoris, Husifa on Mt. Carmel, and Na'aran near Jericho.

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The Historical Evidence

1. Josephus War Book V 4-5. (zodiac on curtain and floor on the temple mount in Jerusalem).
2. Josephus Book III Ch. 7 (breastplate symbolized zodiac).
3. Talmud amd Midrash - statements in the Talmud and in the midrash literature show that many Jews had some level of admiration for astronomy. (Midrash Genesis Rabbah 44:12, Yal., Jer. 285). A statement in the Tosefta (Kiddushin 5:17) holds that the blessing bestowed on Abraham is the gift of astronomy. Midrash Ecclesiastes Rabbah states that the rulers of some non-Jewish were experts in astronomy, and that King Solomon too had expertise in this realm. (7:23 no. 1) There is a story in the Talmud according to which God showed to Adam all the future generations, including their scribes, scholars, and leaders (BT Avodah Zarah 5a).

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The Biblical Evidence

"And God said let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and days, and years:" Gen. 1:14

"The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handy work. Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge. There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard." Ps. 19:1-3

Can you bind the sweet influences of the Pleiades (7 Sisters), or loose the band of Orion (Winter)? Can you bring forth (alter) the Mazzaroth (lots of lights) in his SEASONS? Or, can you guide (change) Arcturus with his sons? Do you know the ORDINANCES OF HEAVEN? Can you set their DOMINIONS (time-spans) in the earth (ground)? (Job 38:31-33)

Jacob

In Genesis 49, Jacob the father sun is entering the twilight of its descent. Jacob's swan song is to review the future of his twelve zodiacal sons.

1Then Jacob called his sons, and said, “Gather yourselves together, that I may tell you what shall befall you in days to come.
2Assemble and hear, O sons of Jacob, and hearken to Israel your father. (Gen 49:1-2)

Aquarius

Rueben rules in Aquarius the water bearer because of his association with water.

3Reuben, you are my first-born, my might, and the first fruits of my strength, pre-eminent in pride and pre-eminent in power.
4Unstable as water, you shall not have pre-eminence because you went up to your father's bed; then you defiled it—you went up to my couch! (Gen. 49:3-4)
Jacob's firstborn, Rueben, had sex with one of his father's concubine.
22While Israel dwelt in that land Reuben went and lay with Bilhah his father's concubine; and Israel heard of it. Now the sons of Jacob were twelve.
23The sons of Leah: Reuben (Jacob's first-born) (Gen 35:22)

Gemini and Libra

Simeon rules Gemini and Levi rules Libra as brothers in violence. Both constellations symbolize the number two. The Gemini are brothers and Libra the scale for settling debts.

That they “hamstring oxen” can be seen when the sun rises into Gemini, making the stars of Taurus appear to descend as if hamstrung. In the zodiac circle, Gemini lies above and next to Taurus, and Libra is opposite Taurus. Astronomically, when the sun ascends into Gemini, Taurus falls away from the sun. And when the sun enters Libra, Taurus is in full descent.

Jacob says he will divide and scatter the brothers in Israel, which means the two constellations are not in juxtaposition; one is next to Taurus and the other is opposite Taurus.

5Simeon and Levi are brothers; weapons of violence are their swords.
6O my soul, come not into their council; O my spirit, be not joined to their company; for in their anger they slay men, and in their wantonness they hamstring oxen.
7Cursed be their anger, for it is fierce; and their wrath, for it is cruel! I will divide them in Jacob and scatter them in Israel. (Gen. 49:5-7)
As slayers of men, Gemini includes two bright stars called the twins. In ancient mythology, the Gemini twins were warlike heroes who avenged the kidnapping of their sister Helen to Troy.
In Genesis 34, their sister Dinah was raped by Schecham the son of Hamor the Hivite. Simeon and Levi took revenge by murdering the father, son and all the males of the city. Not content to stop there, they plundered the city.
25On the third day, when they were sore, two of the sons of Jacob, Simeon and Levi, Dinah's brothers, took their swords and came upon the city unawares, and killed all the males.
26They slew Hamor and his son Shechem with the sword, and took Dinah out of Shechem's house, and went away.
27And the sons of Jacob came upon the slain, and plundered the city, because their sister had been defiled; (Gen. 34:25-27)

Leo

Judah rules Leo the lion. Lions got their title as king of beasts because July is the hottest time of the year. Judah is the tribe from which king David descends. Jacob associates Judah with lions. A throwback to the ancient Egyptians, a scepter and staff symbolize sovereignty.

8Judah, your brothers shall praise you; your hand shall be on the neck of your enemies; your father's sons shall bow down before you.
9Judah is a lion's whelp; from the prey, my son, you have gone up. He stooped down, he couched as a lion, and as a lioness; who dares rouse him up?
10The scepter shall not depart from Judah, nor the ruler's staff from between his feet, until he comes to whom it belongs; and to him shall be the obedience of the peoples.
11Binding his foal to the vine and his ass's colt to the choice vine, he washes his garments in wine and his vesture in the blood of grapes;
12his eyes shall be red with wine, and his teeth white with milk. (Gen. 49:8-12)

Pisces

Pisces is ruled by Zebulun by its association with the sea. As a haven for ships, fish supply food for long voyages. Of course, water borders land.

13Zebulun shall dwell at the shore of the sea; he shall become a haven for ships, and his border shall be at Sidon. (Gen. 49:13)

Taurus

Issachar rules Taurus the bull. Asses associate with bulls in the sense that they are both pulling animals. Taurus follows Aries the sheep in the zodiac.

14Issachar is a strong ass, crouching between the sheepfolds;
15he saw that a resting place was good, and that the land was pleasant; so he bowed his shoulder to bear, and became a slave at forced labor. (Gen. 49:13-15)

Scorpio

Dan rules Scorpio. In the sector of Scorpion, there is the constellation Serpens the serpent. A viper that bites the horse's heels, juxtapositions Scorpio next to Sagittarius, the half man half horse. When horse and rider fall backward can be seen because Sagittarius descends lower than Scorpio.

16Dan shall judge his people as one of the tribes of Israel.
17Dan shall be a serpent in the way, a viper by the path, that bites the horse's heels so that his rider falls backward.
18I wait for thy salvation, O LORD. (Gen. 49:16-18)

Sagittarius

Gad rules Sagittarius. “Raiders” make us think of something military. Being an archer, Sagittarius is a warlike constellation.

19Raiders shall raid Gad, but he shall raid at their heels. (Gen. 49:19)

Virgo

Asher rules Virgo with its association with food. The sun enters Virgo at the end of the growing season. Virgo is pictured with stalks of grains in her hand.

20Asher's food shall be rich, and he shall yield royal dainties. (Gen. 49:20)

Aries

Naphtali rules Aries the lamb. The sun enters Aries at the beginning of spring when fawns and lambs are born.

21Naphtali is a hind let loose, that bears comely fawns. (Gen. 49:21)

Cancer

Joseph rules Cancer. The sun enters Cancer at the height of its ascent when Orion the hunter with its bow can be seen upright. In the zodiac circle, Cancer is opposite Sagittarius, so allegorically they are in opposition. The archers' attack comes from Sagittarius the archer shooting across the divide from the winter solstice to the summer solstice.

22Joseph is a fruitful bough, a fruitful bough by a spring; his branches run over the wall.
23The archers fiercely attacked him, shot at him, and harassed him sorely;
24yet his bow remained unmoved, his arms were made agile by the hands of the Mighty One of Jacob (by the name of the Shepherd, the Rock of Israel). (Gen. 49:22-24)
Orion is not one of the twelve zodiac constellations, but next to the sun, it is the most important constellation in Jewish and Christian mythology. He is the favorite son and the only one who receives God's blessings.
Starting at Genesis 37, Genesis devotes more space to Joseph than any of the other brothers. Joseph's brothers didn't like him, so they left him in a pit to be picked up by a caravan and sold as a slave in Egypt. In Christian mythology, Orion is personified as the Son of man.
25by the God of your father who will help you, by God Almighty who will bless you with blessings of heaven above, blessings of the deep that couches beneath, blessings of the breasts and of the womb.
26The blessings of your father are mighty beyond the blessings of the eternal mountains, the bounties of the everlasting hills; may they be on the head of Joseph, and on the brow of him who was separate from his brothers. (Gen. 49:25-26)

Capricorn

Benjamin rules Capricorn as a ravenous wolf when Sirius the Dog Star rises above the horizon in early January. It is the brightest of all the stars. In Christian mythology, it is the Star of Bethlehem.

27Benjamin is a ravenous wolf, in the morning devouring the prey, and at even dividing the spoil.” (Gen. 49:27)
A hint of Paul's dishonesty comes from his claim to be a descendant of the nonexistent tribe of Benjamin. After the Jews were exiled in 586 BCE, tribal names became extinct.
1I ask, then, has God rejected his people? By no means! I myself am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, a member of the tribe of Benjamin. (Rom. 11:1)

Epilogue

Allegorically, when the sun dies, it is in full descent at the darkest months of winter, and is said to be in a cave. Thus, Jacob is buried in a cave. By a remarkable coincidence, Jesus was also carried to a cave after he died.

28All these are the twelve tribes of Israel; and this is what their father said to them as he blessed them, blessing each with the blessing suitable to him.
29Then he charged them, and said to them, “I am to be gathered to my people; bury me with my fathers in the cave that is in the field of Ephron the Hittite,
30in the cave that is in the field at Machpelah, to the east of Mamre, in the land of Canaan, which Abraham bought with the field from Ephron the Hittite to possess as a burying place.
31There they buried Abraham and Sarah his wife; there they buried Isaac and Rebekah his wife; and there I buried Leah—
32the field and the cave that is in it were purchased from the Hittites.”
33When Jacob finished charging his sons, he drew up his feet into the bed, and breathed his last, and was gathered to his people.
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Wow, this is controversial stuff. Having read your post I am struggling to view it as, in any stretch of the imagination, 'astronomy' but rather it is astrology still, which is clearly condemned in the Bible Isa47:13-15. y:O2

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That's really cool, Gman, I've heard of this before but hadn't really had the time to research it, thanks.

I don't view this as astrology for we aren't really looking at this for guidance or seeking our destinies, but merely seeing another one of God's strories written in His creation. We aren't looking at the stars seeking answers relating to decisions in life.
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catherine wrote:Wow, this is controversial stuff. Having read your post I am struggling to view it as, in any stretch of the imagination, 'astronomy' but rather it is astrology still, which is clearly condemned in the Bible Isa47:13-15. y:O2

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I would agree with you... Astrology is strongly condemned in the Bible. However, if the constellations were used as "signs" (in Gen. 1:14) they were probably used to mark the seasons, not to predict future events. Perhaps this is how it got corrupted. Remember that each sign had it's dominance over a season, as an example the sun is in the Leo July 23 to August 22 representing the summer (at the time of year when the Sun was at its maximum altitude). So true with the other months.. Leo is represented by the tribe Judah, and guess who also came from the tribe of Judah? And perhaps they may tell us a story..

I'll get into the other constellations later....
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Hmm reading this reminds me of "Keeper of Genesis: A Quest for the Hidden Legacy of Mankind by Robert Bauval and Graham Hancock." There was a lot of stuff discussed in it but what I find similar is the idea of the mythology being linked to the heavens. In the book it described the journey of the pharaoh and how it was a description of the movement of the stars and the sun. For example the Milkyway was the Nile Orions belt was the pyramids the sphinx was leo etc. and the pharoah was orion (I can't really remember that part and I lost the book).
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I'd be interested to know what the moderators think of this topic. Their input would be most appreciated.
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Gman, aren't you a moderator?
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I'm following this thread, but I don't know what to think...this is so bizarre.
zoegirl wrote:Gman, aren't you a moderator?
If truth be told, only Gman's status makes me take this seriously.

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'If truth be told, only Gman's status makes me take this seriously.' This point that FL has noted is why I am wondering what 'other' moderators think of this thread. :econfused:
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But IO think that historical astrology (although I don't know a lot about it) revolves around using these constellations to determine your behavior, who you see as compatible (what sign are you, great! We should be great together), whether or not you should gamble your money, etc.

And if we were to do this with these signs, then yes I would view it as no different than secular astrology.

But the fact is that we do use the stars for signs....to navigate, to map the seasons (my dog woke my up at 4 am last week to go to the bathroom and as I let her out I glanced up at the sky at immediately noticed Orion, which starts coming out, and I can tell some of the seasonal changes, although I really wish I knew more about astronomy....I love looking at the night sky)

But I certainly don't look at them to judge whether I sould be expecting a momentous event, wheher I will be expecting a romance, or monetary gain, or jusding others personalities.

I think this is cool an dinteresting and I like knowing that the Hebrews named the constellations and observed the stars and their movements and perhaps they were tempted to use them in place of God, which is exactly why God placed strict prohibition on astrology.
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catherine wrote:I'd be interested to know what the moderators think of this topic. Their input would be most appreciated.
I heard this before but never followed up on it. However, I would take this with a grain of salt.

The Ancient Israelites did incorporate pagan religious practices into their belief system and were punished for this. This could be a remnant of such blending...

Or indeed the heavens do declare the glory of God as it is written:

Psalms 19:1, "To the choirmaster. A Psalm of David. The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims his handiwork..." ESV

Psalms 50:4, "He calls to the heavens above and to the earth, that he may judge his people: 5 "Gather to me my faithful ones, who made a covenant with me by sacrifice!" 6 The heavens declare his righteousness, for God himself is judge! Selah" ESV

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So it's not 'cool' then. Many thanks for your feedback B.W.
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I may be mistaken (and feel free to correct me), but were not the "wise men" seers? I would assume (although I cannot say for sure) that this involved some form of what could be called "astronomy".
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Fascinating perhaps but I do think that there are far better apologetic options out there...
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Gman wrote:Before we begin I want to make it crystal clear that in no way do I think that the Bible teaches astrology. What we can learn from the constellations is merely the story of our redemption written in the stars to proclaim the glory of God.
I think its pretty clear from the beginning the differences that Gman brings up.

Look, people throughout the ages have always corrupted the creation. The heavens declare the glory of God means that we can have pretty healthy apprecation of creation. We can order our world because of the order of Gods creation.

God gave us the creation to understand and to use. WE are corrupt, is there a possibility that we can misuse it? Absolutely. We should always be examining whehter somehting is placing the creation above GOd! However, God prohibited astrology, but that doesn't mean we can't examine the stars in order to understand their place in the universe, their order.

It is amazing to look up at the stars and see a story in them. Why is that astrology? I am not sitting there thinkgin to myself "Ok, Jacob and Judah are coming into alignment, boy, guess I'm gonna meet some great guy today!! Whoopee" or "Hey you were born under Dan, wow, we'd be great together". I'm not checking some start chart to determine my destiny.

At most, the stars reveal a grand story....yeah, I'd say that's cool
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