Adam_777 wrote:That is still there in my own quote! and you're completely grasping at straws because the lie is that Gary Parker said nothing useful (which is also arrogant and wrong because he says many things
you should even agree with) and that his accusation was against OEC and it was the usual gibberish that you aren't a Christian which is a total lie, and you know it.
Here is the seminar in dispute if anyone wants to see that byblos is covering up a misrepresentation:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 8540143&ei
It's a shame that we can respect and use many of the useful aspects of fellow Christians work, even when they disagree with things we feel strongly as YECs but YECs must be belittled and disregarded as unserious Christians, calling what they say "usual gibberish" maybe you're trying hard to sway an onlookers opinion before they even review the arguments to bolster their presuppositions if they lean in a OEC direction. Oh well, if that's what you have to do to defend a failing theory, so be it.
Hey Adam, guess what, you're absolutely right. An apology is definitely in order. After seeing your initial response to my post I thought I had made 2 separate statement, one about Parker's talk and another about YECers in general. I should have looked back at my post before responding, I didn't and for that I apologize. Looking back at it though, and listening to the link a second time, I stand by my statement. Parker did not offer anything new at all in terms of new evidence for a young earth (a position he clearly espouses). What's more, it is glaringly evident that he thinks if one does not believe in the literal 6 days of creation one is not believing the word of God.
Here are samples of what he said (not quoted verbatim):
- In the first 5 minutes and especially in the 6th minute he describes himself as an evolutionist as well as one who did not believe in God. The clear implication being that evolutionists (including theistic ones) cannot believe in God.
- In the 10th minute he lumps together and seems to ridicule both theistic evolution as well as progressive creation (of which the majority of us here are). He later calls it 'the theistic evolution trap' since after believing in God it seemed to him like 'the easy way out' to believe in either TE or PC. Normally I would've stopped listening right there and then but I didn't. I wanted to see what he truly had to say, which amounted to nothing more than what ID proponents would argue, which is fine but nothing new.
- In the 11th minute he questions violence and death before the fall, the typical YEC argument we've heard a million times and which we simply disagree with.
- In the 13th minute he calls theistic evolution (lumped together with progressive creation) a 'trap', an 'easy way out', a way for him to have the best of both worlds from which he later woke up.
Yes please, I urge every one who professes to be an OECer, especially a theistic evolutionist or a progressive creationist to listen to Parker's sermon and see what you come away with. What I saw was nothing more than more gibberish from YECers doubting our beliefs, looking at us the same way they look at atheists.
I stand by my original post.
Nice diversion though, Adam. Now back to the topics you haven't bothered to address yet.
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[flash=]What???!!!!!![/flash]
