cslewislover wrote:qqMOARpewpew wrote:
>When and how did i say there are no basis for meaning that we attribe to things?
Then what IS the basis for meaning?
>We are animals and we do act like it and function like it, psychology has a firm grasp on why we act the way we do.
Psychology is a science, like any other science. The "why" of things could change next week, depending on research findings.
>We seek higher anwsers because we live in a hostile world that doesn't seem to give a damn about us. Most of us feel we are some sort of conscienceness stuck in this skin bag we call a body. We say "My hand" or "My foot" as if they are possetions and not us. It gives us the impression we are a sort of driver and this body is just a 'car.' It breaks down, it gets tired, it needs refueling; so we seperate ourselves from what we are, our bodies.
When you say hostile world, do you mean human social world? Or the natural world? The natural world of course wouldn't care about us. As far as the language . . . how else should we talk about the body that we inhabit? It's a short-cut way of saying something, just like saying "the sun is setting" instead of "the earth is traveling around the sun and now it will get dark." Besides that, our brain is conscious and controls the body - the body doesn't protest at us calling the stuff that falls down from the top of our head "hair."
>Why not blow up the planet now and get rid of all the pain and suffering? So without god you'd be an emo kid?
I'm asking YOU about this. You're just as emo, like "precious moments." Ha ha ha. Just kidding. But you're saying we should be one way, we should behave in a "nice" way, when a selfish way might make us feel just as well and even benefit us and our families more. You don't seem to have a basis for your own version of emo.
To my mind, there is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly and compassionately with one another and to preserve and cherish that pale blue dot, the only home we've ever known.
Sagan just got done saying how awful we are, killing each other, etc. And now, for some reason, all the violent people in the world are going to look at our speck of a planet, and go, "Ohhhh, we're so significant for being insignificant . . . ohhhh, it just makes me want to save the planet . . . 
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I DO NOT see the logical connection.
>Outside of human experience i believe all actions are equally nuetral, it is only because of our conscious judging minds that we consider actions better than others.
"Outside of human experience"; so, what animals do and what happens in nature is neutral (I think so, pretty much)? When it comes down to it, is what we do neutral also; is this what you're saying? A lot of people think that selfish behavior is better. Making money off of inexperienced, ignorant people, say. Why would they listen to you, or even Carl Sagan? There's no reason to, if it's all up to each individual. And would you care if they do or not?
>I wasn't complaining that you don't understand me, I don't expect you to, and I don't expect that I will understand you, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try.
Sure we should try, but you needed to explain things more for us to understand you . . . still need to. But I would hope that you would grow in your life, and that your understanding that you have now will change and become better.
I don't know, or claim to know, or care what the basis of meaning is. I dont think about, havent before, don't plan to. That doesnt mean you should go and assume that. Don't make a donkey out of you and me.
Cool, fo shizzle, and what not.
I mean the round thing we live upon. The natural world, which happens to have a little social gathering of people on it currently. But i also meant our bodies, they seem hostile to the individual at times.
Do you disagree with your lord and savior that we should love our enemies? Sorry I posted it because the picture is awesome, and I was curious as to how yall might respond. Good job btw.
Not seeing the logical connection? Duh, its a heart-connection not a logical one.
I am saying good and bad are illusions created by the human mind in order to understand the world.
Why would they listen to you, or even Carl Sagan? There's no reason to, if it's all up to each individual. And would you care if they do or not?
I don't expect them to listen to me and instantly get all lovey dovey for each other. I wasn't that suprised when instead of being like "Yeah humanity in its current state sucks and we should try to do something about it" started nit picking the logic of it. I would care if they listened to me, I'm used to being an average citizen though.
Tell me when I am not being clear and I will always
try to clarify.
