So then it is necessary for those branches to branch off there, because it seems to hold some function?Sceptic wrote:OK, so branch those off at the appropriate level, like I said. The Vagus nerve travels right past the heart.August wrote:Sure. But there are branches off the RLN into the heart etc, like I quoted from Grays, that apparently has some functionality in that branch...or else why would it branch off from there? You have to show that that all functionality will be retained with your scenario. Even the loss of a single function will negate your argument.
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You are arguing semantics. If you think that it's possible to prove a negative, then go ahead: prove there's no Father Christmas.August wrote:You are kidding, right?
Ok, answer me this, do you believe that that constitutes proof for the statement "You can't prove a negative"?
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No, they can branch straight off the Vagus. That is the point. You actually don't know anything about nerves, do you?August wrote:So then it is necessary for those branches to branch off there, because it seems to hold some function?
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Semantics? I've been asking you for a formal proof for a few posts now, and you cannot come up with it. You made that statement, now prove it.Sceptic wrote:You are arguing semantics. If you think that it's possible to prove a negative, then go ahead: prove there's no Father Christmas.August wrote:You are kidding, right?
Ok, answer me this, do you believe that that constitutes proof for the statement "You can't prove a negative"?
Acts 17:24-25 (NIV)
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I have shown you it is a logical fallacy. If you can't understand what a fallacy is, that's not my problem.August wrote:
Semantics? I've been asking you for a formal proof for a few posts now, and you cannot come up with it. You made that statement, now prove it.
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Going to start with the insults now? You don't know anything about me, so if you want to do that, then go ahead.Sceptic wrote:No, they can branch straight off the Vagus. That is the point. You actually don't know anything about nerves, do you?August wrote:So then it is necessary for those branches to branch off there, because it seems to hold some function?
I get what you are saying, you just have not shown that it is necessarily better.
Acts 17:24-25 (NIV)
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"The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by hands. [25] And he is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything, because he himself gives all men life and breath and everything else."
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Sigh.Sceptic wrote:I have shown you it is a logical fallacy. If you can't understand what a fallacy is, that's not my problem.August wrote:
Semantics? I've been asking you for a formal proof for a few posts now, and you cannot come up with it. You made that statement, now prove it.
If you cannot prove it, then say so. What you showed had nothing to do with your statement, it was a muddled combination of the law of identity and the law of the excluded middle.
But you don't seem to able or willing to answer a straight question. Do you believe you have proven that "You can't prove a negative."
Acts 17:24-25 (NIV)
"The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by hands. [25] And he is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything, because he himself gives all men life and breath and everything else."
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What insult? It was a question.August wrote:Going to start with the insults now? You don't know anything about me, so if you want to do that, then go ahead.
I get what you are saying, you just have not shown that it is necessarily better.
It would be far better, because the RLN fibres would be shorter, and less vulnerable to chest and neck trauma.
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Double sigh.August wrote:
Sigh.
If you cannot prove it, then say so. What you showed had nothing to do with your statement, it was a muddled combination of the law of identity and the law of the excluded middle.
But you don't seem to able or willing to answer a straight question. Do you believe you have proven that "You can't prove a negative."
If you can prove a negative, then kindly prove the statement "you can't prove a negative", wrong.
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You made that statement, now prove it. Nice try, but you are not going to shift the burden of proof to me here.Sceptic wrote:Double sigh.August wrote:
Sigh.
If you cannot prove it, then say so. What you showed had nothing to do with your statement, it was a muddled combination of the law of identity and the law of the excluded middle.
But you don't seem to able or willing to answer a straight question. Do you believe you have proven that "You can't prove a negative."
If you can prove a negative, then kindly prove the statement "you can't prove a negative", wrong.
As soon as you provide positive proof for your statement, I will be happy to oblige.
Acts 17:24-25 (NIV)
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Why are we wasting time re-inventing the wheel? The burden of proof is obviously on you. because you are proposing a well-established logical fallacy - the argument from ignorance.August wrote:You made that statement, now prove it. Nice try, but you are not going to shift the burden of proof to me here.
As soon as you provide positive proof for your statement, I will be happy to oblige.
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This has nothing to do with the argument from ignorance. You just can't prove what you asserting.Sceptic wrote:Why are we wasting time re-inventing the wheel? The burden of proof is obviously on you. because you are proposing a well-established logical fallacy - the argument from ignorance.August wrote:You made that statement, now prove it. Nice try, but you are not going to shift the burden of proof to me here.
As soon as you provide positive proof for your statement, I will be happy to oblige.
Acts 17:24-25 (NIV)
"The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by hands. [25] And he is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything, because he himself gives all men life and breath and everything else."
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OK, prove that it isn't the argument from ignorance. I say that it is, prove me wrong.August wrote:This has nothing to do with the argument from ignorance. You just can't prove what you asserting.
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So are you saying that you have proven: "You can't prove a negative"Sceptic wrote:OK, prove that it isn't the argument from ignorance. I say that it is, prove me wrong.August wrote:This has nothing to do with the argument from ignorance. You just can't prove what you asserting.
Acts 17:24-25 (NIV)
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I am saying that is is the argument from ignorance, a well-known logical fallacy.August wrote:So are you saying that you have proven: "You can't prove a negative"
You seem to want to change the subject from the rather inconvenient RLN. I can't say I blame you!