Genesis 8:21 What does "all" mean?

[RickD]

Genesis 8:21 ..."And never again will I destroy all living creatures, as I have done." Some oec models hold to a local, and universal flood. As in God destroyed all people (except those on the ark), and all creatures associated with mankind. Not all creatures on the face of the earth, just the ones associated with mankind who hadn't left the Mesopotamia area. Does "all living creatures" mean "all on the earth", or could it mean "only all associated with mankind"? Some translations use every in place of all.

[Gman]

Genesis 8:21 ..."And never again will I destroy all living creatures, as I have done." Some oec models hold to a local, and universal flood. As in God destroyed all people (except those on the ark), and all creatures associated with mankind. Not all creatures on the face of the earth, just the ones associated with mankind who hadn't left the Mesopotamia area. Does "all living creatures" mean "all on the earth", or could it mean "only all associated with mankind"? Some translations use every in place of all.

Hi Rick,

You will find your answer here..

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetic ... X1d4Fadpd4

[RickD]

Hi Rick,

You will find your answer here..

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetic ... X1d4Fadpd4[/quote]
I don't see the answer in there for my specific question. It doesn't mention Genesis 8:21. My niv bible says, "And never again will I destroy all living creatures as I have done." If the oec model has a local flood, and only the animals associated with mankind dying, what about the rest of the animals on different continents, like Australia, N. America, etc. Are you saying Gen. 8:21 is saying all living creatures associated with mankind? Are you saying that "all living creatures" means something other than every creature on the planet? I see how "all" doesn't have to mean "all" because of the inhabitants on the ark.

[cslewislover]

I know this goes against what the main site espouses, but I'm trying to figure this issue out myself - though I'm taking my good old time doing it! This is from GotQuestions?org. I think I'll have to look up more, and put Rich's article side by side with this and other articles on the subject.

Question: "Was Noah's flood global or local?"

Answer: The biblical passages regarding the flood make it clear that it was global. Genesis 7:11 states that “all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened.” Genesis 1:6-7 and 2:6 tell us that the pre-flood environment was much different from that which we experience today. Based on these and other biblical descriptions, it is reasonably speculated that at one time the earth was covered by some kind of water canopy. This canopy could have been a vapor canopy, or it might have consisted of rings, somewhat like Saturn's ice rings. This, in combination with a layer of water underground, released upon the land (Genesis 2:6) would have resulted in a global flood.

The clearest verses that show the extent of the flood are Genesis 7:19-23. Regarding the waters, “They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under the entire heavens were covered. The waters rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than twenty feet. Every living thing that moved on the earth perished—birds, livestock, wild animals, all the creatures that swarm over the earth, and all mankind. Everything on dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died. Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out; men and animals and the creatures that move along the ground and the birds of the air were wiped from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark.”

In the above passage, we not only find the word “all” being used repeatedly, but we also find “all the high mountains under the entire heavens were covered,” “the waters rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than twenty feet,“ and “every living thing that moved on the earth perished.” These descriptions clearly describe a universal flood covering the whole earth. Also, if the flood was localized, why did God instruct Noah to build an ark instead of merely telling Noah to move and causing the animals to migrate? And why did He instruct Noah to build an ark large enough to house all of the different kinds of land animals found on the earth? If the flood was not global, there would have been no need for an ark.

Peter also describes the universality of the flood in 2 Peter 3:6-7, where he states, “By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.” In these verses Peter compares the “universal” coming judgment to the flood of Noah's time and states that the world that existed then was flooded with water. Further, many biblical writers accepted the historicity of the worldwide flood (Isaiah 54:9; 1 Peter 3:20; 2 Peter 2:5; Hebrews 11:7). Lastly, the Lord Jesus Christ believed in the universal flood and took it as the type of the coming destruction of the world when He returns (Matthew 24:37-39; Luke 17:26-27).

There are many extra-biblical evidences that point to a worldwide catastrophe such as a global flood. There are vast fossil graveyards found on every continent and large amounts of coal deposits that would require the rapid covering of vast quantities of vegetation. Oceanic fossils are found upon mountain tops around the world. Cultures in all parts of the world have some form of flood legend. All of these facts and many others are evidence of a global flood.

[RickD]

cslewislover, I guess it's just 2 different interpretations of words like earth,land, all, etc. OECs believe in different translations than YECs do. For example, 2Peter 3:6 By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. YECs interpret that to mean the entire globe was deluged and destroyed. OECs interpret that to mean the world at that time was populated by humans only in the Mesopotamia area, so that was the only area deluged and destroyed.