Haiti missionaries wrong for moving kids?
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Haiti missionaries wrong for moving kids?
Do you think that the haiti baptist missionaries were wrong for trying to move children across the border to the DR? Even if they knew it was illegal?
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Re: Haiti missionaries wrong for moving kids?
No! Some media over here in the UK have blown this up with top-headlines like "child-trafficking" when reporting this story. I mean, what a classy way to report on such a sensitive issue! The baptists were naive, but there can be no doubting the good intentions. Am I wrong? Have I missed something very disturbing about this story?Gman wrote:Do you think that the haiti baptist missionaries were wrong for trying to move children across the border to the DR? Even if they knew it was illegal?
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Re: Haiti missionaries wrong for moving kids?
The media is trying to dig up the dirt on Laura Silsby now saying that she defaulted on her mortgage and was due in court next week for not paying her employees. Which may be true, but what is the real motive here?DannyM wrote:No! Some media over here in the UK have blown this up with top-headlines like "child-trafficking" when reporting this story. I mean, what a classy way to report on such a sensitive issue! The baptists were naive, but there can be no doubting the good intentions. Am I wrong? Have I missed something very disturbing about this story?Gman wrote:Do you think that the haiti baptist missionaries were wrong for trying to move children across the border to the DR? Even if they knew it was illegal?
I would seriously doubt she was doing this for profit. It could be that the media is trying to smear the reputation of Christian missionaries but I'm not sure.
The heart cannot rejoice in what the mind rejects as false - Galileo
We learn from history that we do not learn from history - Georg Friedrich Wilhelm Hegel
Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable, if anything is excellent or praiseworthy, think about such things. -Philippians 4:8
We learn from history that we do not learn from history - Georg Friedrich Wilhelm Hegel
Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable, if anything is excellent or praiseworthy, think about such things. -Philippians 4:8
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Re: Haiti missionaries wrong for moving kids?
If the Spirit had led them to do this, they probably would have been successful.Gman wrote:Do you think that the haiti baptist missionaries were wrong for trying to move children across the border to the DR? Even if they knew it was illegal?
Naive, yes! good intentions? maybe.DannyM wrote: The baptists were naive, but there can be no doubting the good intentions.
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Re: Haiti missionaries wrong for moving kids?
Was the apostle Paul always successful?Fürstentum Liechtenstein wrote: If the Spirit had led them to do this, they probably would have been successful.
The heart cannot rejoice in what the mind rejects as false - Galileo
We learn from history that we do not learn from history - Georg Friedrich Wilhelm Hegel
Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable, if anything is excellent or praiseworthy, think about such things. -Philippians 4:8
We learn from history that we do not learn from history - Georg Friedrich Wilhelm Hegel
Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable, if anything is excellent or praiseworthy, think about such things. -Philippians 4:8
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Re: Haiti missionaries wrong for moving kids?
Nope! that's why I added «probably» to my words! ...it gave me a way out!Gman wrote:Was the apostle Paul always successful?Fürstentum Liechtenstein wrote: If the Spirit had led them to do this, they probably would have been successful.
These missionaries may well have been led by the Spirit to do what they did.
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Re: Haiti missionaries wrong for moving kids?
You know, it's hard to make a real assessment on this whole situation, and I suspect the motives of these "missionaries" were admirable, but there's something wrong in my mind with appealing to pragmatism in terms of the children's welfare when many of these children were not orphans and had parents who from a position of desperation allowed their children to be taken from them in hopes of their survival and a better life. It begs the question as to why those same missionaries and organizations involved could not have provided long term aid to the children and their families while preserving their family unit and then initiating some sort of effort to obtain legitimate orphans after the government is re-established in Haiti.
I suspect these same people come from a position of being pro-life and pro-family within the US. How do you justify breaking up a family and taking advantage (from one perspective) of chaos and the lack of going through official channels to put these children up for adoption in the US, knowing that their parents are still alive and taking advantage of their poverty and the natural catastrophe they find themselves in? Then too, it's possible that other motives were at work too and now being cloaked by assuming the veil of religious martyrs.
It doesn't quite add up for me in all regards. I'll suspend judgement until more is known, but based on what I do know and see, I'm not convinced that jumping to a position of support for these people based upon the perception that they are "one of us" is a prudent thing to do.
I suspect these same people come from a position of being pro-life and pro-family within the US. How do you justify breaking up a family and taking advantage (from one perspective) of chaos and the lack of going through official channels to put these children up for adoption in the US, knowing that their parents are still alive and taking advantage of their poverty and the natural catastrophe they find themselves in? Then too, it's possible that other motives were at work too and now being cloaked by assuming the veil of religious martyrs.
It doesn't quite add up for me in all regards. I'll suspend judgement until more is known, but based on what I do know and see, I'm not convinced that jumping to a position of support for these people based upon the perception that they are "one of us" is a prudent thing to do.
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Re: Haiti missionaries wrong for moving kids?
This makes sense.Canuckster1127 wrote:...based on what I do know and see, I'm not convinced that jumping to a position of support for these people based upon the perception that they are "one of us" is a prudent thing to do.
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Re: Haiti missionaries wrong for moving kids?
Last I heard from the Statesman is that the other 9 were conned...
http://www.idahostatesman.com/273/story/1069978.html
http://www.idahostatesman.com/273/story/1069978.html
The heart cannot rejoice in what the mind rejects as false - Galileo
We learn from history that we do not learn from history - Georg Friedrich Wilhelm Hegel
Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable, if anything is excellent or praiseworthy, think about such things. -Philippians 4:8
We learn from history that we do not learn from history - Georg Friedrich Wilhelm Hegel
Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable, if anything is excellent or praiseworthy, think about such things. -Philippians 4:8
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Re: Haiti missionaries wrong for moving kids?
I agree with Canuckster that something doesn't quite add up. By being martyrs, they also, or at least the leader, could have been interested in money (through the adoptions perhaps) at the same time. The leader has had many financial blunders. I think it remains suspicious until the details surface.