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They do, all the time. It might not be as incidious as incest, but people believers lose their temper, disagree with others.Would a true believer continue to do things that would so obviously turn others off to Christ?
Just because someone goes to church is no indication that they actually have faith...in many families church is simply a tradition...saying a prayer is mere formality...CeT-To wrote:yes i do believe in this but there are people like the mafia who go to church every sundays and pray to God, but as soon as they are out of church they are pointing a gun at someones headi mean ..they have faith..but are these people really saved?
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Yup. Standing in a garage doesn't make you a car.....zoegirl wrote:Just because someone goes to church is no indication that they actually have faith...in many families church is simply a tradition...saying a prayer is mere formality...CeT-To wrote:yes i do believe in this but there are people like the mafia who go to church every sundays and pray to God, but as soon as they are out of church they are pointing a gun at someones headi mean ..they have faith..but are these people really saved?
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they may have some element of "that's my religion, those are my beliefs" but that is no indication of a relationship with Christ
Yes.zoegirl wrote: Just because someone goes to church is no indication that they actually have faith...in many families church is simply a tradition...saying a prayer is mere formality...
they may have some element of "that's my religion, those are my beliefs" but that is no indication of a relationship with Christ
Yup. Standing in a garage doesn't make you a car.....![]()
Yes. I don't know who you're arguing with, since the verse means that we will get angry - like lose our temper - yet, we need to stand back and not go farther and sin. To call on the Lord to help us, too.jlay wrote:The bible clearly says, "In your anger do not sin." Eph 4:26
Again, I don't know who you're arguing with. Committing adultery in our minds is just as bad as physically committing it, yes, and committing murder in our minds out of anger is just like actually doing it. But not all anger is about committing murder!!!!!! LOL, at least that's not what I think when I get angry.Also, these are the words of Christ, not mine. "You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, 'Do not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.' But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. (Matt. 5:21-22)
In the sermon on the mount, Christ equates lust with adultery and anger with murder. Would losing one's temper be anger? What is it I am missing here? It seems to me, that things we wink at, God sees as heinous.
If this is what you think, you're thinking too much or too little or something. Lol. In human terms, we do think of sin in degrees. That's life here. If the Nazis lied to all the Jews instead of killing them, I don't think we would've reacted the way we did, or have had war crime trials in the same way! In any case, I would have no problem with talking with such a person and pointing out their sin. To God, and sin separates us from Him, whether it's a lie or whether it's murder.So often in witnessing to the lost I find that they have a very flippant attitude towards sin. They think, 'I've never murdered anyone. I'm a good person.' Good people don't need saving. Now, it seems I'm having this same issue with a believer. I must admit that i am puzzled.
Again, I don't know who you're arguing with.Jesus said, 'there are none good but God.' If you are I need a savior it is because we are in need of saving. And that includes every sin, past, present and future. Even the one's we don't think are that bad.
I've seem some very pious people fall, and fall very hard.
Of course not. Human perception versus God's perception. Which one matters in regards to salvation? You and I both agree it is God's and that a human's perception has zero to do with it. So, we have a thread that is based on this question. Human perception. We perceive the way a person acts or behaves, and then try to make a judgment regarding their salvation. What then are we equating salvation to? Actions/ behavior. So then what we are doing is saying, 'this (little) sin is OK if you are saved, but this sin (big) means you are not saved.' We are judging in a way that we would not want it measured unto ourselves. By your own admission, we don't see our sin, the way God does. We lack His perspective. In this same teaching (Matt. 5-7) where Jesus points out God's view of sin, and how lost we really are, He also points out to wary of judging in a wrong manner. (Matt. 7: 1-2)If this is what you think, you're thinking too much or too little or something. Lol. In human terms, we do think of sin in degrees. That's life here. If the Nazis lied to all the Jews instead of killing them, I don't think we would've reacted the way we did, or have had war crime trials in the same way! In any case, I would have no problem with talking with such a person and pointing out their sin. To God, and sin separates us from Him, whether it's a lie or whether it's murder.
Are you saying that being angry and losing one's temper are the same thing? Because, I don't see it that way at all. 'Losing' one's temper, means one has lost control of their anger. Losing one's temper is acting out in anger, not just being angry.Yes. I don't know who you're arguing with, since the verse means that we will get angry - like lose our temper
Love it - got to use that statement sometime!Canuckster1127 wrote:Yup. Standing in a garage doesn't make you a car.....zoegirl wrote:Just because someone goes to church is no indication that they actually have faith...in many families church is simply a tradition...saying a prayer is mere formality...CeT-To wrote:yes i do believe in this but there are people like the mafia who go to church every sundays and pray to God, but as soon as they are out of church they are pointing a gun at someones headi mean ..they have faith..but are these people really saved?
God Bless !!!
they may have some element of "that's my religion, those are my beliefs" but that is no indication of a relationship with Christ
"Faith in Christ" and "Salvation" are meaningless cliches until you get the revelation from God !CeT-To wrote:yes i do believe in this but there are people like the mafia who go to church every sundays and pray to God, but as soon as they are out of church they are pointing a gun at someones headi mean ..they have faith..but are these people really saved?
God Bless !!!