Burn in hell god?

[J.Davis]

Hi guys! I'm new here and I am a Christian, I just wanted to give my perspective on who God sends to hell and why.

We are who we say we are...

We all live in and rule our own world...one example...The most beautiful woman on earth could honestly feel she is ugly because men seem uninterested in dating her. However, this is only due to intimidation. And this woman gets few compliments because people just felt that she must know of her amazing beauty. And some people treat her in a way that is hurtful Because from their perspective she must be proud and stuck up. Most often, when we do find an extremely beautiful woman that feels unattractive and she seems proud and stuck-up, her attitude, is nothing more than a defense mechanism designed to protect against developing a bad self-image due to others hurtful behavior. Why would she be criticized for her beauty? Because she has sinned. The sin? She exalts herself above a god. Distort her beauty and torment her soul! She must be punished!

The point is that we have the power to create just as God (I AM/Jesus) does. We can either share God's reality or create our own. We are who we say we are, things are as we say they are, people are what we make them and we have a need to be loved and worshiped (admiration, sex etc)...we.. are.. god. But, only if we choose to remain one. If we do, then we are responsible for the world we made and the people we created. However, Jesus believes that he is God and in his world there is only room for one on the throne.

So, one of you has to go....

Another god can not rule in the Heaven Jesus made for himself and it is all fair and just. We are created in his image, we can continue to live as a god if we wish, Jesus has proof to show that having gods (<-little g/Satan) in Heaven does not work and he fought with Satan and his army and threw them out of his Heaven. Jesus rules his Heaven and all he created and Satan lives in his world with all he created. Some of us fight Jesus and throw him out of our heaven (<-little h/Preferred lifestyle). If you rejected him on earth why would you not do the same in Heaven? If you manipulated men on earth why not his angles? He has the life you lived as proof to show that, if given the opportunity, you would reject him as God and do things your way (remind you of anyone....Satan?). He has been through the whole thing before and he kicked Satan out of his heaven and you can do the same if you wish. We can have and rule our world/heaven as gods so how is it unfair if Jesus does the same.

We are welcome in Heaven but not as a god. He does not send men to hell...only gods. Jesus went to hell and then left so that means that a God can leave hell. So we are free to try. But it is not his fault that we are so weak of a god that we can not make it out. If you enter Heaven as a god then you play by a god's rules. Maybe, it's best to submit now and let Jesus be God...otherwise...good luck.

Scriptures....

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Genesis 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

Psalm 82:1, 6 and 7..

1 God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.
6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.

Jhon 10:33-34...

33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

Exodus 20:3-5.

3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

Deuteronomy 32:39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.

Revelation 12:7-9...

7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

[B. W.]

Hi J.Davis,

You might want to check out this thread posted on the Forum for more infromation:

http://discussions.godandscience.org/vi ... 18&start=0

There are other posts as well on other thread lines...
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[J.Davis]

Hi B.W!

Yes, some of the inspiration to post my thoughts came from that link and another one. But, my girlfriends inquisitive nature inspired me to write it. I understand that the title of my thread and the link given suggest a similar topic but my thread is more about who God sends to hell, why and my belief of his perspective than it is about hell. I hope I was not out of line, I know that many forums frown upon multiple topics of the same type. Especially, if the topic is already visible. It was not my intent to try and standout and I look forward to participating in some of the amazingly deep and informative discussions held on this forum. I thank-you for your hospitality.

You guys do Awesome work for God and his Church!!! Thanks for all the effort!

J.Davis

[B. W.]

Hi B.W!

Yes…some of the inspiration to post my thoughts came from that link and another one. But, my girlfriends inquisitive nature inspired me to write it. I understand that the title of my thread and the link given suggest a similar topic but my thread is more about who God sends to hell, why and my belief of his perspective than it is about hell. I hope I was not out of line, I know that many forums frown upon multiple topics of the same type. Especially, if the topic is already visible…It was not my intent to try and standout and I look forward to participating in some of the amazingly deep and informative discussions held on this forum. I thank-you for your hospitality.

You guys do Awesome work for God and his Church!!! Thanks for all the effort!

J.Davis

Welcome to the Forum and thought the link might help on your topic...

Here is a question to help add to your topic:

What makes what does it suggest when someone makes themselves thier own god?
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[J.Davis]

Thanks for the suggestion/question B.W!

The short and simple answer is that they knowingly and intentionally disobey God's word, ignore his will and desires, covet the power to do as they please and take it. That is how man became a god to begin with. But, that could only apply to the unsaved. The saved can sin but are recreated (born again). They proclaim that Jesus is God and lay down their godhood and make a commitment to follow Gods word. So they are no longer judged as gods but men, they have forgiveness.

[Furstentum Liechtenstein]

J. Davis' point-of-view is certainly an interesting one, and one I had not considered before. It also works with B.W.'s experience in the cubes in Hell where those entrapped kept living over events of their lives (that is, they live out only what they have created, they do not enter into the glorious light...)

FL

[CeT-To]

that is an unusual but very true way to look at it !! nice work J.david! extremely interesting! How did you come to this conclusion may i ask?

[J.Davis]

Hi Cet-To!

Thank-you for your kind words!

The question concerning why God would send a man to hell was on my mind due to someone asking the question. I gave an answer that I was satisfied with but it still left questions.

The day after, my girlfriend emailed me and I had a desire to comfort her concerning her problems. I just wanted someway to make her feel better and let her know that it was her word that mattered most. This was my original response to her concerns, without giving away anything to personal.

We all have voices in our head trying to discourage or make us feel like less than we are. But your voice speaks the loudest. If they say who you are or what you can not do. You tell them who you are and what you are going to do. Life is a whole lot more than what we can experience with our senses. We all live in our mind Love.We are who we say we are, things are as we say they are, people are what we make them.etc.

You know Love, after writing this I understand God concerning why the unsaved can not live in Heaven, it is all fair and just.

It all makes sense and I am going to think on this more. This changes things for me concerning how I view God...It is very cool!

He is a jealous God and wants no other god before him...Mind-blowing!

Basically, I wanted to let her know that she was in control and then I realized that her abilities were similar to Gods. Her beliefs become her personal reality, she had god like power. All it took after that was proving it to myself with scripture. And then I posted it here not only to share my thoughts but because I knew if I was being unbiblical you guys would surly point it out (smile). I wanted to make sure I did not spread unsound doctrine.

Love you Pureheart (Smile)

You guys are Awesome Thank-you!