Could Jesus Accept someone like this?

[Silvertusk]

Why is it pride? I do not know how easy it would to feel guilty if my guilt could feel forgiven by the click of my fingers.(well not literally like this)

How do you feel guilt, you still do feel right? I do not want to lose myself.

It is pride because you are too proud to accept a gift. As for guilt, the Holy Spirit convicts us of that and brings us back to repentance.

Because I am Christian - I am so much more aware of my feelings and what is right and wrong and I do feel enormous guilt when I sin. But also I feel so much better when I ask God for forgiveness.

[DannyM]

Why is it pride? I do not know how easy it would to feel guilty if my guilt could feel forgiven by the click of my fingers.(well not literally like this)

How do you feel guilt, you still do feel right? I do not want to lose myself.

It is pride because you are too proud to accept a gift. As for guilt, the Holy Spirit convicts us of that and brings us back to repentance.

Because I am Christian - I am so much more aware of my feelings and what is right and wrong and I do feel enormous guilt when I sin. But also I feel so much better when I ask God for forgiveness.

The materialist is blinded. "You don't get summink for nuffink!" The materialist cannot bring himself to accept any gift - there must be a catch, or it smells pretty fishy. The materialist doesn't want to believe that this can be so. Spare a thought - we have done well to give total and complete materialism a body-swerve.

[Kristoffer]

I have no idea why you think I am a materialist. I want for nothing.

No my problem is responsibility, if I do something wrong, I should take responsibility. Why just hand responsibility over to someone who is not at fault?

[DannyM]

I have no idea why you think I am a materialist. I want for nothing.

No my problem is responsibility, if I do something wrong, I should take responsibility. Why just hand responsibility over to someone who is not at fault?

So I'm wrong and you're not suspicious of the truth claims of Christianity?

You're not part of the 85% then, nej?

[DannyM]

And I do not know of one Christian who passes the buck for his behaviour. So what are you on about ?
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[Kristoffer]

I am not as Suspicious as I used to be, but I knew nothing[about it]then.

I am unsure whither to include myself in that statistic. Idealistically I think I already behave in a kind of "Christian" way. Of course that might not be enough, if there is a god, I sure as heck do not know what he is thinking about.

I do not pass the buck about my behaviour, I take responsibility. I am on about Forgiveness and acceptance. Do you have to let Kristus accept you and forgive you? Or do you Forgive and Accept yourself first?

[DannyM]

I am not as Suspicious as I used to be, but I knew nothing[about it]then.

I am unsure whither to include myself in that statistic. Idealistically I think I already behave in a kind of "Christian" way. Of course that might not be enough, if there is a god, I sure as heck do not know what he is thinking about.

I do not pass the buck about my behaviour, I take responsibility. I am on about Forgiveness and acceptance. Do you have to let Kristus accept you and forgive you? Or do you Forgive and Accept yourself first?

Man-centred.
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[Kristoffer]

Why else would God Create Men and tell Angels to Worship a Man? Why else would Jesus call himself a "Son of Man" ? Is the world really made for Man or for God? I think by(possibly!) But not for.

[DannyM]

Why else would God Create Men and tell Angels to Worship a Man? Why else would Jesus call himself a "Son of Man" ? Is the world really made for Man or for God? I think by(possibly!) But not for.

How is the world man-centred when God created the world? Please explain the thinking behind this...

Man and his relationship with God is paramount, of course, but explain how this fits with your man-centred philosophy... Or at least try !

[cslewislover]

I have no idea why you think I am a materialist. I want for nothing.

No my problem is responsibility, if I do something wrong, I should take responsibility. Why just hand responsibility over to someone who is not at fault?

The materialist denies the existence of souls and dieties. You're more open to God, but apparently not to the other. . . which is odd, since God made us that way. Anyway . . . there's more than one definition to Materialism, and you should research it. Only one definition is about someone who loves collecting material goods.

You're argument about doing things yourself because you're responsible is so hollow, when it comes to God and being able to be with Him. No matter what you do, you can never be good enough to enter the presence of God. God was loving enough, wanted to be with us enough, to do something about that. Personally, I think you're being very prideful, and you simply don't want relationship with Him. Yes, we all need to take responsibility for things we have done, that's a no brainer. But it's not the same when it means coming into God's unearthly presence. The Muslims thing that you need to enough good works to outweigh the bad works, on the scale of things, and even so, their God still may reject you. Christ is not like that. He made promises, and He keeps them. If you accept Him and His work for your salvation, you will be in heaven.

I guess I really should do a bible study on this for you, with the verses . . . maybe I can find one. But then you probably won't look at it, based on your past comments.

[Kristoffer]

Only one definition is about someone who loves collecting material goods.

I have what I need. Do I need more? Nej.

Well I do not know about the muslims, "scale", but probably "not being a muslim" counts high as a negative on it. I do not know what this relationship entails, how is it Good, What do you get from it? I want to take the risk, but I need a good reason to follow it to the end. I do look at the book, i constantly am.v

[Furstentum Liechtenstein]

I guess I really should do a bible study on this for you, with the verses . . . maybe I can find one. But then you probably won't look at it, based on your past comments.

You'd be wasting your time. Do something better, like spend time with your son. Kristoffer is an ''atheist-fisherman''. He'll seem vulnerable and open just for a while so that you'll bite, then he'll let out the line so you think he's gone; then he'll tug at it - and your heartstrings - again. You'll swim towards him and...nothing. He's gone, again. Rewind & repeat.

Kris is a fake. a big fake. A big fake and a big Loser. I understand him better than you because I was just like him.

FL

[DannyM]

I guess I really should do a bible study on this for you, with the verses . . . maybe I can find one. But then you probably won't look at it, based on your past comments.

You'd be wasting your time. Do something better, like spend time with your son. Kristoffer is an ''atheist-fisherman''. He'll seem vulnerable and open just for a while so that you'll bite, then he'll let out the line so you think he's gone; then he'll tug at it - and your heartstrings - again. You'll swim towards him and...nothing. He's gone, again. Rewind & repeat.

Kris is a fake. a big fake. A big fake and a big Loser. I understand him better than you because I was just like him.

Spot on!
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[Kristoffer]

Kris is a fake. a big fake. A big fake and a big Loser. I understand him better than you because I was just like him.

FL

You are not me. Do not claim to of been "just like me" although you are allowed to call me whatever you like, I do not fear it. HOW DARE YOU CALL ME A LOSER. I put so much effort into all that i DO. To much maybe, but anyway. Whats with the personal attack on my character? I find it rather "unchristian" do you not see how i can be offended? Do you really want to Keep Kristus to yourself? Why can't you share this? Does it feel that great that you need to maintain a Crab Mentality?

[Furstentum Liechtenstein]

HOW DARE YOU CALL ME A LOSER

You are a Loser...but you won't understand that until you accept Christ. If we were all to die right now, cslewislover, Danny and I would be spending eternity in heaven while you would be in a very hot place (and it wouldn't be the Canary Islands! ) How Loser is that?!

I find it interesting that you reacted to my calling you a Big Loser (which you are) but you totally ignored this:

Kristoffer is an ''atheist-fisherman''. He'll seem vulnerable and open just for a while so that you'll bite, then he'll let out the line so you think he's gone; then he'll tug at it - and your heartstrings - again. You'll swim towards him and...nothing. He's gone, again. Rewind & repeat.

By the way...Happy Birthday.

FL