Jesus and homosexuality

Mastermind · Post by **Mastermind** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 3:38 pm

Is there any mention of homosexuality in the four gospels?

August · Post by **August** » Sat Apr 09, 2005 11:44 am

There is only one gospel, not 4.

There is no mention of homosexuality in the gospel. In the NT it is mentioned here: Romans 1:24-32; 1 Cor. 6:9-11; 1 Tim. 1:8-11

Mastermind · Post by **Mastermind** » Sat Apr 09, 2005 2:02 pm

Damn, I was hoping for something straight out of Jesus's mouth, as some people don't seem to like Paul.

AttentionKMartShoppers · Sat Apr 09, 2005 8:25 pm

If people will listen to what Jesus said, why not Paul, a bondservant of Christ, as he called himself?

Mastermind · Post by **Mastermind** » Sat Apr 09, 2005 9:34 pm

He says Paul twisted Jesus's message. I can flatten him in a bible debate but he won't listen so it doesn't matter much.

AttentionKMartShoppers · Sat Apr 09, 2005 10:06 pm

Paul, who literally ran into Jesus on the way to kill Christians, who was blinded for several days, and who turned the world upside down.....twisted Jesus' message...All new heresies are just reworded old heresies aren't they....

Kurieuo · Post by **Kurieuo** » Sun Apr 10, 2005 1:38 am

Jesus respected Scripture (the OT) as authoritative. Within the Mosaic Law homosexuality is condemned. Therefore Jesus believed practicing homosexual acts were wrong.

However, try find agreement on the fact that although we do many wrong things God accepts anyone as they come to Him. He especially loves those who are usually outcast and down-trodden in the world. Homosexuality is a complex behaviour that has many psychological influences... Therefore it is better we leave the judging to God, and simply let people know the good news of God's love and grace as offered through Christ. The Holy Spirit will teach, heal and guide them in His own way if they come to Christ.

Kurieuo.

Mastermind · Post by **Mastermind** » Sun Apr 10, 2005 6:36 am

Kurieuo wrote:Jesus respected Scripture (the OT) as authoritative. Within the Mosaic Law homosexuality is condemned. Therefore Jesus believed practicing homosexual acts were wrong.

However, try find agreement on the fact that although we do many wrong things God accepts anyone as they come to Him. He especially loves those who are usually outcast and down-trodden in the world. Homosexuality is a complex behaviour that has many psychological influences... Therefore it is better we leave the judging to God, and simply let people know the good news of God's love and grace as offered through Christ. The Holy Spirit will teach, heal and guide them in His own way if they come to Christ.

Kurieuo.

Oh, I already mentioned Jesus's acceptance of the OT but he wants an exact verse about homosexuality in the Gospel. I have a feeling he, like many others, reject paul because he further restricts liberal behaviour(especially regarding sexual matters).

Felgar · Post by **Felgar** » Sun Apr 10, 2005 12:44 pm

Kurieuo wrote:Therefore it is better we leave the judging to God, and simply let people know the good news of God's love and grace as offered through Christ.

What about those that have come to Christ, and are within the church? What is your take on the church's responsibility to judge each other? Without actually digging up the passages, isn't that one of the functions of a church congregation; to tell someone when they are engaging in unrepentant sin and then try to get them to turn back to God? What then is your take on church's permitting homosexual leaders, etc?

Kurieuo · Post by **Kurieuo** » Sun Apr 10, 2005 9:47 pm

There is far more complexity to your questions than I will go into here. However, those who go to a church, like any place whether it be a restuarant and so forth, should abide by the rules of such a place. My previous post was directed however specifically towards how to treat another outside "the Church."

Inside a church, leaders obviously are able to setup their church however they like. If one wants to participate within a specific church, then they have to abide by the rules in place there. Leaders however are accountable to God for their wrong actions, disheartening young Christians, and leading people astray. At the same time they are accountable for allowing a bit of old yeast to corrupt the whole batch of dough. (1 Corinthians 5)

With regards to your specific question about leaders within a church; anyone who does not live a model life for other Christians should not be a leader, and they should even be fearful of leading. This does not mean leaders must be perfect, but they must in the very least not encourage sin and strive to live righteously after Christ. Leadership roles should be feared, for the person who fulfills them has a higher responsibility. Those who willingly sin should not be able to teach within a church, not just for the sake of other Christians, but even for their own sakes at judgement.

However, all Christians are responsible for testing the words of others whether teachers or prophets. We are supposed to test whether words spoken are true and from the Spirit, or false and to be disgarded.

Kurieuo.

Felgar · Post by **Felgar** » Mon Apr 11, 2005 8:11 am

Good enough for me; thanks for the response Kurieuo.

Yeah I guess you were referring to outside the church originally; I was just wondering if you thought that should carry to within the church...

AttentionKMartShoppers · Mon Apr 11, 2005 12:17 pm

Oh, I already mentioned Jesus's acceptance of the OT but he wants an exact verse about homosexuality in the Gospel. I have a feeling he, like many others, reject paul because he further restricts liberal behaviour(especially regarding sexual matters).

Well, as Paul himself said...it's because they're have no positive value...however the verse goes, all things are lawful, but not all things edify.

Battlehelmet · Post by **Battlehelmet** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 12:18 pm

Mastermind wrote:He says Paul twisted Jesus's message. I can flatten him in a bible debate but he won't listen so it doesn't matter much.

Who said "He says"?

Flatten who?

Me?

The Apostle Paul spoke the Gospel by the Spirit of God, leaving your erratic statement of twisting Christ's message a little off-center. What was the basis of that particular reasoning? an inquiring mind wants to know Mastermind.

Battlehelmet · Post by **Battlehelmet** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 12:21 pm

AttentionKMartShoppers wrote:
Oh, I already mentioned Jesus's acceptance of the OT but he wants an exact verse about homosexuality in the Gospel. I have a feeling he, like many others, reject paul because he further restricts liberal behaviour(especially regarding sexual matters).
Well, as Paul himself said...it's because they're have no positive value...however the verse goes, all things are lawful, but not all things edify.

I am almost a Bible Scholar.."Depending" on the "official" defintion of what consitutes a Bible scholar. I'm going to love this place, I already find Mr.Mastermind an interesting character. I don't have enough energy to dig and find the exact verses but I may do so at a later date.

So glad I found this place.

Mastermind · Post by **Mastermind** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 2:03 pm

Battlehelmet wrote:
Mastermind wrote:He says Paul twisted Jesus's message. I can flatten him in a bible debate but he won't listen so it doesn't matter much.
Who said "He says"?

Flatten who?

Me?

The Apostle Paul spoke the Gospel by the Spirit of God, leaving your erratic statement of twisting Christ's message a little off-center. What was the basis of that particular reasoning? an inquiring mind wants to know Mastermind.

What the hell are you talking about? Your entire post is either out of context, or you don't even know the meaning of "reading comprehension". I wasn't talking about you(how in the world you got this idea is beyond the realm of logic), I'm talking about somebody you don't even know, and I made no statement that the Apostle Paul twisted anything, my friend did. How in the world you have the audacity to call yourself a "scholar" when you can't even read properly is beyond me. And yes, I'm in a very bad mood.