Homosexual love

[CeT-To]

Hey guys i was wondering, is homosexual love this same type as heterosexual love? im asking because im confused as to why its condemned... i fully understand why homosexual Sex is wrong but not completely sure on why the love 2 men or women have to eachother is percieved as different than heterosexual love of man and woman by us christians. Another question Is .... is the word love or the expression been corrupted in todays secular society? When you have that gutty feeling for a person is that love or infatuation? And is love a state ( sort of like infatuation) or action based like the bible discription in 1 Corinthians 13:4 ?

God bless you guys!

[jlay]

Hey guys i was wondering, is homosexual love this same type as heterosexual love? im asking because im confused as to why its condemned... i fully understand why homosexual Sex is wrong but not completely sure on why the love 2 men or women have to eachother is percieved as different than heterosexual love of man and woman by us christians. Another question Is .... is the word love or the expression been corrupted in todays secular society? When you have that gutty feeling for a person is that love or infatuation? And is love a state ( sort of like infatuation) or action based like the bible discription in <A class=lbsBibleRef href="http://bible.logos.com/passage/esv/1%20 ... ans%2013.4" target=_blank lbsReference="1 Corinthians 13.4|ESV">1 Corinthians 13:4</A> ?

God bless you guys!

This is similar to what we were discussing on another thread that got locked. Perhaps we can keep the discussion more civilized here.

I like that you ask the question, "is the word love or the expression been corrupted in todays secular society? When you have that gutty feeling for a person is that love or infatuation?"
I would most definately say that our culture has corrupted and confused the understanding of love. Sexual attraction is not the same as love. Ephesians 5 gives us instructions on the love a man is to have for his wife. This is a selfless love. What are the consequences of the very definition of love being corrupted? Other things also get corrupted. I would contend that marriage is only heterosexual, regardless of how people want to attempt to redefine. The original definition of marriage is, "The act of uniting a MAN and a WOMAN for life." If society would simply acknowledge what marriage is, this issue of gay marriage would dissolve. Instead, the meaning of the very word has been redefined.

Now, as far as the question, "is the love the same?" Well, genuine love is genuine love. And no, this is not a 'gutty' feeling. I have no doubt that homsexuals have both sexual attraction towards one another, and can also have selfless feelings towards one another. However, just because the emotive response can be similar, doesn't mean that the response is justified. Just because I feel anger does not in and of itself mean I am justified in my anger. A child may get angry with a parent for making them do chores. The emotive response is real, but it isn't justified. So how could this child demonstrate love? By acting in opposition to his feelings. Obeying the parent despite the fact that his emotions don't confirm his actions. This is not the path our culture is on. Sad, because the things we often revere require a person to act contrary to their feelings. Everything we revere as brave. A person is not brave because they lack fear, but because they choose to respond correctly even though their feelings tell them to flee. Our society has become a 'what do your feelings tell you,' society. Scary. Especially if you feel like taking a gun and shooting up your highschool.
So, the 'if it feels good, do it,' logic is not logic at all. We can easily be deceived by our feelings. And I would contend that a homosexual who thinks they are justified in their sin because it 'feels' right is deceived. A homosexual who truly loves someone of the same sex, could best demonstrate that love by not leading them into sexual sin and rebellion to God's will. That would be sacrifical, agape love. Otherwise it is selfish, of the flesh, and can only do harm.

Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. 1 Cor. 13:4-7

This same matter is also why we see such failure in marriage today. 'Feelings' alone should not dictate who a heterosexual marries or forms relationships with. Marriages end because they are not based on real love. They are based on shallow emotions. Phsyical attraction, how the person makes the other feel, etc. This is entirely selfish. When that wears off, there is no true love undergirding the marraige, and it dissolves. If a husband and wife model the above, then how could the marriage fail?
This union is not intended for same sex. It is not genuine and thus could never experieince the blessing of living under this model, no matter what some may be deceived into believing. The failure of others to live up to this proper model of love, should not condemn the institution, but the people who wrongly enter into it.

[CeT-To]

Great responce Jlay, for the past couple of month the idea that the secular society has lost the meaning of love had been in my mind. But lets say in a scenario that 2 men get married but never have sex, would that still be wrong? ( LOL taking into account that its a really unrealistic scenario if not totally unrealistic)

Oh and i had a talk about it with a friend and he believes that one does not choose to be gay but rather is born in that state which he thinks is some form of mental illness. What do you guys think?

[Human]

But lets say in a scenario that 2 men get married but never have sex, would that still be wrong? ( LOL taking into account that its a really unrealistic scenario if not totally unrealistic)

This actually does apparently happen.(ignoring the whole marriage being defined at between a man and a woman thing)

Oh and i had a talk about it with a friend and he believes that one does not choose to be gay but rather is born in that state which he thinks is some form of mental illness. What do you guys think?

It's been proven not to be genetic but environmental. Science ftw.

[CeT-To]

But lets say in a scenario that 2 men get married but never have sex, would that still be wrong? ( LOL taking into account that its a really unrealistic scenario if not totally unrealistic)

This actually does apparently happen.(ignoring the whole marriage being defined at between a man and a woman thing)

Oh and i had a talk about it with a friend and he believes that one does not choose to be gay but rather is born in that state which he thinks is some form of mental illness. What do you guys think?

It's been proven not to be genetic but environmental. Science ftw.

wow are you serious human? i never knew that there were such a thing as 2 male 'married' couple that dont have sex.

Isnt it genetic? crap i didnt know! Can you link me to where it explains this Brother?

God bless you all!

Francesco

[Human]

wow are you serious human? i never knew that there were such a thing as 2 male 'married' couple that dont have sex.

Yep. Also a male-female or female-female couple that don't have sex. www.asexuality.org gives a pretty good explanation (although one could make a case for them being derranged or mentally ill or something, though the original point stands)

Isnt it genetic? crap i didnt know! Can you link me to where it explains this Brother?

http://www.godandscience.org/evolution/ ... ality.html
is a good starting place.

[CeT-To]

hmmm so is it definitely environmental and not genetic? has it been proved? and like wise with genetic?

Thanx for the link by the way Human.

[Kurieuo]

hmmm so is it definitely environmental and not genetic? has it been proved? and like wise with genetic?

Thanx for the link by the way Human.

I'd just like to state what is often not stated.

Regardless of genetics, environment or (as is often left out) spiritual influences, we have an ability other animals don't really have. We have the ability to rise above our given nature to be something more. Christ in particular urges us to do so. Not to repay evil for evil, but to forgive and show mercy. Homosexuality is no different. We may feel homosexual tendencies, be genetically predisposed or what-have-you, but in our love for God we can do our best to rise above and be otherwise. That is not to say we pretend not to have such feelings, but rather we identify that we do have such a disposition and choose otherwise.

I only mention homosexuality because that is the issue raised, however the same can also be said for fornication, pornography, drunkenness, addictions or whatever other sinful weaknesses we might have.