Ngakunui wrote:Atheism isn't Communist, but Communism is inherently Atheist.
Communism is based primarily around the concept of a "common good" being "sustained" by "the state"(The People in Communist lingo). The Common Good is an imaginary scapegoat that doesn't mean the good for most people like it does in normal English, but more simply what serves the politicians in office. The assertions are made that whatever the government does is good and therefore suit the "common good". As most religions, unless fabricated by the state, will give someone something to be loyal to or hold above the government, they are banned or heavily suppressed to suit government desires. This is similar to Humanism, which proposes the creation of an official government religion to keep people under control- however, I will concede that atheism isn't as bad as a religion made or subverted to control people. (Amusingly, though Communists insist that's why religions exist)
Nonetheless, Communists commonly, in their countries try proposing a dualism between religion of any kind and atheism; portraying atheism as something more than it is with various philosophies and so on that "oppose religion in general", which is ridiculous. The few Marxists I've heard talk about religion sound like Richard Dawkins for the most part, like the fact the universe is a trillion years old somehow disproves every religion known to man.
Now, I can tell you that Communism isn't exactly in accord with Christianity in terms of other things, either. For one, Communism is not for the poor and weak "people" as it likes to claim, but for the rich and powerful who exploit whoever is subject to them. And believe me, if I've learned anything from history, you can only give Caesar so much until you have to go into hiding. Thankfully, the Praetorian Guard in Communist countries have guns that can't hit the broadside of a barn if their lives depend on it. Nonetheless, that is one thing about the Communist agenda that makes their countries nearly inhospitable. Save maybe for China (which is so watered down a version of Communism, it hardly counts), it's very hard to do anything godly due to, if you are Christian, or simply religious, you must keep it absolutely secret and out of sight and never speak of it around your comrades- if you can call them that.
This is how the morals work in Communist countries: Instead of love towards others, you have fear of insubordination. Instead of brotherhood, you have something they try passing off as comradery. Instead of prosperity, you have people being exploited. Instead of being able to say "Jesus loves you", you're expected to say "KILL THEM ALL, HAHAHA". Instead of reason and tolerating people, you have people being sent to "reeducation"(which sadly, is the way a lot of "Christians" would have it). And instead of freedom, of course, you have oppression and weekly, unreasonable search and seizure. Oh, and since Communists believe in an absolute "commonwealth" where everyone shares the same fate(except the government officials, of course), if they go to Hell, they expect you to go with them.
But just to clear up, just because someone is an atheist doesn't he's a Communist. That's being rather prejudice. There are quite a few atheists that are Capitalists and/or moral people, too.
Well, one of the things I was trying to get at in this post was to find out exactly why today's new or aggressive atheists are so passionately trying to destroy Christianity and get Christians to deconvert. Some have said that since they think that religion causes most of the evil in the world that by deconverting people the world will become more and more peaceful. An idea which almost anyone with common sense will tell you would not work just due to the nature of human beings in general. Even if you erase religion from the world human beings will still find reasons to have conflict. That's why the other reason (warming us up to communism) is what I think would be the more plausible reason why atheists are being so aggressive in trying to defeat Christianity. Also, another thing I was wanting to find more info about is, what specific 'group' of atheists are the most in number and most in influence? What I mean by group of atheists is from observing atheists over the past few years I've seen different kinds of additudes among atheists and to make things more organized I"ve classified them into groups. You have as follows...
A. Angry, hateful, aggressive atheists
1. Atheists who want to convert people to atheism first, then to their other pet views whether it be communism, environmentalism, extreme liberalism, or some other cause to help "better the world and humanity".
2. Atheists who want to convert people in hopes that eliminating religion will magically cause peace in the world (even if it means persecuting or killing those who revolt against their ideas)
B. Calmer less aggressive atheists
1. Those who are honest truth seekers, who do indeed try to follow the evidence wherever it leads, it just somehow happens that at this point in their lives they see the evidence pointing toward atheism or (for those who are more honest with themselves) agnosticism. In fact, you could include most agnostics within this group as well. (These are the ones I surprisingly and thankfully see at this place, where as at other message boards *both atheist and theist* I see the kind of atheists in group A)
2. The few who hold to the ideas of the atheists in group A but are too lazy and passive or too polite in their personality to enforce their ideas on other people.
Now then, I"m trying to get a feel for which group of atheists are the larger and or the growing group. And by so doing this, us apologists can equip ourselves better as far as how we need to model or conversations and dialogues in hopefully developing a better outcome whether it be to learn more or to be more persuasive in presenting and defending Christian theism. Thanks guys.
